Thread: 357 and 44 mag for deer?

Originally Posted by outlander

They state that there will be no shipping outside of the US of A. You'd need to have a willing friend over there to ship it over for you, I suspect.

Doable

Originally Posted by Beavis

It's a restriction based on calibre, not muzzle energy

I had read long ago that .30 Carbine was not allowed on DOC land by reason of being underpowered, I recall at the time thinking that was a shame. Of course does not matter any more...

From the site:
"7.
Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (see: Bow and cross bow hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, 22 hornet calibre, tracer and incendiary type ammunition are strictly prohibited under this Permit."

Both .222 Remington and .22 Hornet use 5.7mm bullets. The DOC regulation above is written by someone not familiar with firearms (like the somewhat nonsense term ".22 Hornet calibre") and really could do with being rewritten, but the exclusion of the (centrefire) .22 Hornet indicates DOC's intent is to exclude lower powered rifles from hunting use on DOC land.

Originally Posted by Tommy

I’d love a bit more info on how you’ve set that gun up with the can, and who did the work @hotbarrels

@Tommy I bought it already done. I did ask the original owner for the info but it was never forthcoming. All I know is that he confirmed for me that it was capable of +P loads.

Originally Posted by Cordite

I had read long ago that .30 Carbine was not allowed on DOC land by reason of being underpowered, I recall at the time thinking that was a shame. Of course does not matter any more...

From the site:
"7.
Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (see: Bow and cross bow hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, 22 hornet calibre, tracer and incendiary type ammunition are strictly prohibited under this Permit."

Both .222 Remington and .22 Hornet use 5.7mm bullets. The DOC regulation above is written by someone not familiar with firearms (like the somewhat nonsense term ".22 Hornet calibre") and really could do with being rewritten, but the exclusion of the (centrefire) .22 Hornet indicates DOC's intent is to exclude lower powered rifles from hunting use on DOC land.

They are silly. If we were to go down the road of energy being the main component of what is allowed for harvesting game on the conservation estate, you would need to look at your ballistics chart and not shoot at deer past a certain distance. It was clearer when they simply restricted it to center fire rifles. Goats are covered under an open area hunting permit, and a .22 Hornet is perfectly sufficient for shooting them. As well as deer when used sensibly. I don't know who came up with that idea.

I wouldnt want someone starting out to go chasing reds with a 22 hornet

Originally Posted by Bill999

I wouldnt want someone starting out to go chasing reds with a 22 hornet

Would be heaps!

My mate is a professional hunter now and shot his first dozen deer with a 22WMR!!!

Thanks for all the advice. Going to order a new marlin, either a Trapper in 44mag or a SBL in 45-70.

Can’t bloody decide!

Originally Posted by Cordite

I had read long ago that .30 Carbine was not allowed on DOC land by reason of being underpowered, I recall at the time thinking that was a shame. Of course does not matter any more...

From the site:
"7.
Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (see: Bow and cross bow hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, 22 hornet calibre, tracer and incendiary type ammunition are strictly prohibited under this Permit."

Both .222 Remington and .22 Hornet use 5.7mm bullets. The DOC regulation above is written by someone not familiar with firearms (like the somewhat nonsense term ".22 Hornet calibre") and really could do with being rewritten, but the exclusion of the (centrefire) .22 Hornet indicates DOC's intent is to exclude lower powered rifles from hunting use on DOC land.

The intention of this calibre restriction has nothing to do with qualifying what firearm may be used for deer hunting, DOC do not care what we shoot deer with and this exclusion is not a direction regarding any calibers suitability for deer hunting. It's specific intention is to exclude rimfires, and the nearest centrefire cartridge that will perform like a rimfire, from DOC lands to stop people from using them to shoot native birds. (The mention of incendiary and tracer ammunition is self explanatory.)

Originally Posted by Survy

So can anyone shed light on what the factory iron sights are set at for the rossi 50 or 100 yards or further ?

The Rossi Lever actions have adjustable sights, (the same as the Winchester 1892 it is copied from). The rear sight controls elevation and the front sight is driftable left and right for windage. (Or you can drift the rear sight if you want to.)
Depending on your load you can sight it in for 25 metres or 300 metres.


(The qualification about this, is that the 16 inch barrels have the same sights as the 20' inch carbines; so sometimes, depending on your load, the rifle will shoot low, and you wont be able to lift the rear sight high enough to zero for 100 metres. Again, this dpends on your load, and the calibre.

The solutions for this may be described thusly:
Put a new shorter front sight on (Note that Rossi sight dovetails are larger than standard and you may have to do some shimming to make it fit)
File the front sight down, thereby bringing the point of impact up
Have the rifle drilled and tapped for a received peep sight, made by Williams or Lyman. (The sight you want is the same one that fits the Winchester 94)
Buy a 20' inch barrelled carbine in the first place)

Thanks for the info Carlsen, the 16” is going to be good for banging around the bush.
I’ll see how she goes once I run a selection of ammo through it.
But you have given me some ideas of what to do if I need to start fine tuning.

Originally Posted by Survy

So can anyone shed light on what the factory iron sights are set at for the rossi 50 or 100 yards or further ?

now that depends on a few things.......
#1 where on the ramp do you have v set
#2 where in the v do YOU sit the bead....eg I put it in the bottom others put it level with top...my way shoots higher but restricts view a little
#3 what load you have in her.....eg a sub will be up to 12" below a supersonic load and a really hot load could be say 6" higher than another not so hot one.

IF you have a blade for a front sight (and not a bead), the easiest solution is just to file it down a bit.

I have had three Rossi 92' s over the years and I think they are great. The one I have in .44-40 is one of my pets. I would like a 16" one, in .44 Magnum or .45 colt. They are great for messing around in the bush, light and small enough you don't notice them, and enough for a deer at any distance you could hit one with the open sights. In the old days the Winchester 92 carbine, was just known as a "bush carbine". They were all over NZ and Australia.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

now that depends on a few things.......
#1 where on the ramp do you have v set
#2 where in the v do YOU sit the bead....eg I put it in the bottom others put it level with top...my way shoots higher but restricts view a little
#3 what load you have in her.....eg a sub will be up to 12" below a supersonic load and a really hot load could be say 6" higher than another not so hot one.

They are not "set" at any range. The sights are adjustable.

Who imports these now? Ampro used to be the distributor, but they don't list them on their website anymore,

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

The Rossi Lever actions have adjustable sights, (the same as the Winchester 1892 it is copied from). The rear sight controls elevation and the front sight is driftable left and right for windage. (Or you can drift the rear sight if you want to.)
Depending on your load you can sight it in for 25 metres or 300 metres.


(The qualification about this, is that the 16 inch barrels have the same sights as the 20' inch carbines; so sometimes, depending on your load, the rifle will shoot low, and you wont be able to lift the rear sight high enough to zero for 100 metres. Again, this dpends on your load, and the calibre.

The solutions for this may be described thusly:
Put a new shorter front sight on (Note that Rossi sight dovetails are larger than standard and you may have to do some shimming to make it fit)
File the front sight down, thereby bringing the point of impact up
Have the rifle drilled and tapped for a received peep sight, made by Williams or Lyman. (The sight you want is the same one that fits the Winchester 94)
Buy a 20' inch barrelled carbine in the first place)

The sights on the Rossi 92’s are more in line with a Winchester 1892 rifle, as the Winchester 1892 carbines had a ladder rear sight as opposed to the standard ramp style rear sight. If Rossi would adopt a flip up ladder and get rid of the safety, I’d be all over one. It feels a bit sacrilegious taking an antique Winchester into the bush.

sorry C.H. I didint see you had answered sight question before I answered it....
had a fella today tell me he didnt know how to sight in a scope sighted .22lr............thought we all learnt that before we hit primary school,seems not.