Thread: Advice for new 223

Originally Posted by cameronjackwhite

Ken henderson does inlet for the model 7. $1100 odd with an aluminum v block if I recall. It may not be a kimber but nothing wrong with the trusty mod 7

Thats what I wanted to hear .thanks

I still think the best 223 is a 243 when it comes to Kimber montanas
the action is designed for 308 length and the 223s just have a block in the magazine and smaller shorter follower
the follower that they use in the 223 is dog shit and loves to tip or i just need a new spring for it
the both my 243s feed flawlessly and are externally identical to the 223

and well the 243 hits a lot harder for a tiny bit more recoil

Originally Posted by Bill999

I still think the best 223 is a 243 when it comes to Kimber montanas
the action is designed for 308 length and the 223s just have a block in the magazine and smaller shorter follower
the follower that they use in the 223 is dog shit and loves to tip or i just need a new spring for it
the both my 243s feed flawlessly and are externally identical to the 223

and well the 243 hits a lot harder for a tiny bit more recoil

Thats interesting. I've never handled a kimber montana or a model7 for that matter so good to hear things like that. this purchase will most likely be done with out seeing either in the flesh. When I bought the cz I had only seen pictures and read about them. the safety took me by surprise and I still don't really like the way it is moved back to fire. Also this rifle has to be 223 for my goat work.

I too have had the idea of purchasing a light weight .223.

Reading another thread it appears Ken Henderson is developing a Howa mini action stock. And another option was an MPI stock from Canada. Here is the thread below:

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....-action-57451/

Broncos were going to bring in Howa mini action EXCL Lite chassis which weighs 500g. The original howa stock weight approx 974g.

https://broncos.co.nz/hunting/gun-pa...l-lite-chassis

That maybe another good option?

Originally Posted by Liam258

I too have had the idea of purchasing a light weight .223.

Reading another thread it appears Ken Henderson is developing a Howa mini action stock. And another option was an MPI stock from Canada. Here is the thread below:

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....-action-57451/

Broncos were going to bring in Howa mini action EXCL Lite chassis which weighs 500g. The original howa stock weight approx 974g.

https://broncos.co.nz/hunting/gun-pa...l-lite-chassis

That maybe another good option?

That Howa option keeps popping up, a lot cheaper than the other two.
On a completely different note how do you link another thread into a post? Cheers

Originally Posted by wire hunter

That Howa option keeps popping up, a lot cheaper than the other two.
On a completely different note how do you link another thread into a post? Cheers

I just copy the link in from my browser and paste into the comment box. Cheers

X-bolt .223 with 1:8 twist, at least a couple of models manufactured.

thanks for the feedback. Can anyone else comment on how well or not the Kimber and remmington model 7 in 223 feed there rounds. @Bill999 was having some issues with his kimber 223 feeding. Also what are both rifles like to feed fresh rounds into the mag well on the fly as in quickly while animals are running away. Im guessing neither are control round fed? Cheers

Originally Posted by wire hunter

thanks for the feedback. Can anyone else comment on how well or not the Kimber and remmington model 7 in 223 feed there rounds. @Bill999 was having some issues with his kimber 223 feeding. Also what are both rifles like to feed fresh rounds into the mag well on the fly as in quickly while animals are running away. Im guessing neither are control round fed? Cheers

I rebarreled to 300blk which has far shorter a case bearing surface, as 223 with a stiff spring I'm sure they would be fine
Iv reduced mine with a plastic block to three in the mag and now it's awesome as 3 + 1 feeding wise with the mag spring compressed
And I'm using blunt nosed subsonic bullets which Iv had trouble with in my sako as well, pointy bullets just feed better

I just wanted to emphasise as a 243 they are just better but if you need x caliber for contracts that's different
223 is a comprise to fit the smaller case. Still an awesome tiny action for the 223 that I'd far rather have over any push feed
I'd buy one to replace my howa mini in a heartbeat but they don't come up often at reasonable prices now that ar15s are no longer an option

SWeet @bill999 was just about to pm you regarding the feed issue. In regards to the action is it smaller than say the tikka but Im guessing larger than cz527 if you have seen one? somewhere inbetween.

[QUOTE=wire hunter;992445]SWeet @bill999 was just about to pm you regarding the feed issue. In regards to the action is it smaller than say the tikka but Im guessing larger than cz527 if you have seen one? somewhere inbetween.

Kimbers are crf .708 bolt is 20mm shorter than 223 cz527.
My cz has syn stock which is going to be replaced with a walnut one, when I get time and find the right piece of wood to build it.
Both awesome rifles but would lean toward 527 for 223 even though it not stainless.

[QUOTE=nevereadyfreddy;992467]

Originally Posted by wire hunter

SWeet @bill999 was just about to pm you regarding the feed issue. In regards to the action is it smaller than say the tikka but Im guessing larger than cz527 if you have seen one? somewhere inbetween.

Kimbers are crf .708 bolt is 20mm shorter than 223 cz527.
My cz has syn stock which is going to be replaced with a walnut one, when I get time and find the right piece of wood to build it.
Both awesome rifles but would lean toward 527 for 223 even though it not stainless.

Is crf controlled round feed? so round has to be in mag to be fed is that right? Wasn't aware of the south fort labs stock for the cz as mentioned by previous poster that is another plus for the cz in my case.

Originally Posted by wire hunter

SWeet @bill999 was just about to pm you regarding the feed issue. In regards to the action is it smaller than say the tikka but Im guessing larger than cz527 if you have seen one? somewhere inbetween.

Tons smaller I'll take a pic side by side with a tikka and a howa mini tomorrow as I have all three

I've got a stainless steel Model 7 in .223 that I've had for about 20 years and it's an awesome little gun, it's had the trigger worked , 1/2 cock added to the action (not to hunt with the gun on half cock - but that's another story) action bedded and the forend relieved, barrel threaded for suppressor, it will shoot 0.5 moa or better any day you like. It also spent a week on the bettom of a river for a week until it could be recovered after an incident involving a kayak, a flooded river and a rock, luckily it was in a scabbard and is none the worse for wear, even the bullets in the magazine all went off fine after their immersion. I have a couple of X-bolts and have set up another two for mates and like all guns ever made they have some features that could be better, however you do get a stock that has good feel, tang safety (shotgun style), 60 degree bolt lift, well engineered short action, flush fitting rotary magazine that in my experience feeds faultlessly, 1:8 twist barrel to shoot heavy bullets, and with Talleys mounts a clean and practical setup. There are a couple of models available here, the stainless stalker and the fake carbon stock 16" barrel model which is threaded for a suppressor.

Originally Posted by 38 South

I've got a stainless steel Model 7 in .223 that I've had for about 20 years and it's an awesome little gun, it's had the trigger worked , 1/2 cock added to the action (not to hunt with the gun on half cock - but that's another story) action bedded and the forend relieved, barrel threaded for suppressor, it will shoot 0.5 moa or better any day you like. It also spent a week on the bettom of a river for a week until it could be recovered after an incident involving a kayak, a flooded river and a rock, luckily it was in a scabbard and is none the worse for wear, even the bullets in the magazine all went off fine after their immersion. I have a couple of X-bolts and have set up another two for mates and like all guns ever made they have some features that could be better, however you do get a stock that has good feel, tang safety (shotgun style), 60 degree bolt lift, well engineered short action, flush fitting rotary magazine that in my experience feeds faultlessly, 1:8 twist barrel to shoot heavy bullets, and with Talleys mounts a clean and practical setup. There are a couple of models available here, the stainless stalker and the fake carbon stock 16" barrel model which is threaded for a suppressor.

Ok that xbolt is interesting, comes in a fair bit cheaper than model 7 with after market stock. Still think i would chose Mr 7 need to get to a shop for comparison, DAm it thats ages away