Thread: AR 15 - A cat

Illustrations for the regulation - version 2 MSSA.pdf

I should point out to you guys that this may not be final, but it is in line with police comments during the meeting.

Is this it?

Firearms Community Advisory Forum Minutes - 18 June 2013 | New Zealand Police

Looks like they want to put things back the way it was before all the butt hole pain.

The firearms community advisory couldn't really have been made up by a better bunch

There are some background communications going on (outside the ostensible firearms advisory forum 'FAF') which may result in the FAF efforts being superseded. There is an issue that the proposals of the FAF (which are not binding on anyone), if adopted by police and accepted by the OPC, would fall outside the scope of the delegated powers because (a) those proposals are well beyond what Parliament intended them to be; (b) The proposals are diametric to the working purpose of the Arms Act. Regulations so made, will be struck out as ultra vires and in conflict with purpose.

Police have already breached their own framework of the FAF by appointing thereto a chair that represents only the commercial interests of a group of one (himself) and omitted any adequate representation of civilian gun owners. This gives rise to another ground of judicial review.

Upshot being that, at the moment, probably best not to make any plans around the FAF proposals.

Lol the guys that were at the meeting. who commented about it on the other board, said it was a rubber stamping exercise and opinions against the police proposals were not welcome. It's a load of shit.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Lol the guys that were at the meeting. who commented about it on the other board, said it was a rubber stamping exercise and opinions against the police proposals were not welcome. It's a load of shit.

Situation normal then

Originally Posted by NSA

Police have already breached their own framework of the FAF by appointing thereto a chair that represents only the commercial interests of a group of one (himself) and omitted any adequate representation of civilian gun owners. This gives rise to another ground of judicial review..

Seriously, you're nothing but a great source of entertainment and chuckling. Keep it up

Originally Posted by Kscott

Seriously, you're nothing but a great source of entertainment and chuckling. Keep it up

I was waiting to see if anyone else saw what I did in that post

Originally Posted by rogers.270

Ok so theres alot of talk around re the changes in law potentially in Dec

Can some one please tell me that i need to do to ensure an AR 15 stays an A cat rifle?

thanks

One certain solution is to remove the gas block to make it a slide pull action or change the LRHO to make it a penultimater action. If it ain't semi then it ain't MSSA.

Originally Posted by NSA

One certain solution is to remove the gas block to make it a slide pull action or change the LRHO to make it a penultimater action. If it ain't semi then it ain't MSSA.

An open bolt conversion will fly for, oh, about as long as it takes Joe and Co to change this:

Military style semi*automatic firearm means—
(a) A firearm which, after being loaded, fires, ejects, and
chambers a cartridge with each pull of the trigger;

To this

Military style semi*automatic firearm means—
(a) A firearm which, after being loaded, fires, ejects, and
chambers, or chambers, fires and ejects, a cartridge with each pull of the trigger

Admittedly that could be quite some time but is such a conversion really worth the cost and effort...
I doubt it.

A dude on the other board tried to import some p mags for his manually operated AR and was told no because even though his AR isn't semi auto, since it started life as a semi auto, then in an unnamed policeman's opinion, it is still a semi auto. So unfortunately it will probably require court action to determine what a straight pull is, or isn't.

Originally Posted by ishoot10s

An open bolt conversion will fly for, oh, about as long as it takes Joe and Co to change this:

Military style semi*automatic firearm means—
(a) A firearm which, after being loaded, fires, ejects, and
chambers a cartridge with each pull of the trigger;

To this

Military style semi*automatic firearm means—
(a) A firearm which, after being loaded, fires, ejects, and
chambers, or chambers, fires and ejects, a cartridge with each pull of the trigger

Admittedly that could be quite some time but is such a conversion really worth the cost and effort...
I doubt it.

Looks like you have not read the new arms amendment act. 'Semiautomatic' has a new meaning as from December.

Originally Posted by Beavis

A dude on the other board tried to import some p mags for his manually operated AR and was told no because even though his AR isn't semi auto, since it started life as a semi auto, then in an unnamed policeman's opinion, it is still a semi auto. So unfortunately it will probably require court action to determine what a straight pull is, or isn't.

Whaadu mean he "tried" and how were police involved ? P-Mags for a SPBA do not require an import permit.

Originally Posted by NSA

Looks like you have not read the new arms amendment act. 'Semiautomatic' has a new meaning as from December.

Meh. Which can just as simply be modified thus:

“semi-automatic firearm means a firearm that (if it is loaded), with each pull of the trigger, and in no particular order—
“(a)fires a cartridge and ejects its case; and
“(b)(unless all cartridges loaded have been fired) chambers another cartridge”.