Thread: AR15 pending rule changes?

Originally Posted by gimp

People hate spending cash and it has a rep for being hard to get. It shouldn't be, the police should want as many people as possible to get it, increased vetting and security. Their policy is really illogical.

What is the cost and extra vetting required ?

Ie what are the requirements.
and the same for pistols if anyone can outline it for me .

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What is the cost and extra vetting required ?

Ie what are the requirements.
and the same for pistols if anyone can outline it for me .

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E-cat:
$200 fee for the endorsement
Safe that meets the requirements (at least $1000 usually)
2 referees, can't remember the exact requirements
Interview
Police want 'a legitimate reason' to want it. (It should be that they have to have a legitimate reason not to give you one)

B endorsement:
$200 endorsement fee
Safe (can be cheaper than E cat cos it doesn't have to be so big, but can use E cat rifle safe for pistols as well)
Member of pistol club for 6 months
12 club events attended in those 6 months
Member of PNZ
Pass PNZ test
2 referees
Interview

To keep B you need to attend 12 club events per year

4 referees, two of them must have endorsements.

Originally Posted by Beavis

4 referees, two of them must have endorsements.

Which screws most people straight off the bat.

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Originally Posted by gimp

Which screws most people straight off the bat.

That would be me, I dont know anyone with a E-cat. Then my only reason for wanting it is so I can have fun which I guess it isn't a valid reason

Originally Posted by Toby

That would be me, I dont know anyone with a E-cat. Then my only reason for wanting it is so I can have fun which I guess it isn't a valid reason

If there isn't any valid reason why you SHOULDN'T have one (criminal, mentally unstable), then that is a perfectly valid reason, 100% as valid as 'I want a bolt action to go hunting for fun'.

Meh, I dont need my E-cat anyway

I picked up my e cat safe for $450, an edge 5 gun one on special.

The e cat application form only asks for 2 referees and it doesn't say anywhere they have to have e cat licences, only one of my references had their e cat.

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Yes, I would say so because police HQ approve the licences not the local AO. The AOs do the interviews and paperwork then send it off to be approved but the end decision happens in Welly.

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You don't have to have referees with an E endorsement, they just prefer them as they are generally good referees, you must have at least two with a FAL if you don't know any one who is endorsed.

Originally Posted by Tussock

But the "good reason" clause and the two existing E-cat referees rules, thats not really fair. Makes it to hard for someone who legitimately wants one to get it, and really has no bearing on the outcome

Not really, it encourages you to join a club, serving E cat purposes (Service Rifle etc), where you will meet people who might agree to become referees for you after they've observed you on their range a few times. Already being a member of such a club will almost certainly improve your chances of successfully getting the endorsement and, in fact, for B category, it's a prerequisite.

Pretty sure it says in the act that two of them must be endorsed or in the firearms industry. I know my AO required at least two E cat referees or he won't process the app.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Pretty sure it says in the act that two of them must be endorsed or in the firearms industry. I know my AO required at least two E cat referees or he won't process the app.

Yea thats correct, just got my e cat in the mail this week, two referees that have known you for a while and both have E cat and serving members of a recognised club or organisation. And can demonstrate long term experience with firearms. I belong to two clubs nzda, and another club that shoots military rifles.
Applied for licence mid jan and had safe installed before AO came around for inspection. ( pays to ring your AO like i did and ask about the extra security beforehand just speeds up the process)

Originally Posted by Gemini

Hi guys, I started this thread. So think it is time to clarify what the original post was about.
I recently purchased an AR. My 2nd semi auto purchased in 13 years of being a A cat licenced firearm owner.
I have owned probably 30 bolt actions in that time. I hunt a lot. And I enjoy shooting.
I like to buy and try different rifles, fix, tinker, customise my rifles. It's a hobby. A bloody expensive one, but one I really enjoy.

So my questions were about the pending changes. What modifications will be required to keep it at A cat std, if at all possible.

I did not want a pissing match. Or who killed who with what. Or for any of the crazy arse TROLLING that is going on.

More interested in time frame, and what stock will have to be fitted?

Also really interested in a 300 BLK as a suppressed subsonic.

But not because I am a nutter. But because I like to tinker.

Please STOP the arguments! Sorry to Tussock & co.

Originally Posted by Beavis

4 referees, two of them must have endorsements.

Sorry going back a step can you list what we need to move from a correct A Cat to E so we can do the spending part before the application part Cheers