Thread: AR15 pending rule changes?

The A cat system should be enough to weed out nutters making endorsements moot. I don't like the idea of nutters having access to 10/22's, shotguns and Tikka T3's, let alone AR15's. I get that black rifles attract some people who's cheese ain't on the cracker, but really we have a vetting process to go through, that is meant to weed them out, if it doesn't we are doing something wrong.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but bolt actions don't attract the kinds of nutters that go and shoot up schools. MSSA do. Like I said, if you want that type of rifle then get the endorsenment, they aren't saying you can't have one and I think that most people would agree that the current A cat FAL is a little easy to get.

Depends on intended use. Even if you have an E-Cat licence, if you tell the AO you want one for hunting he will most likely tell you to go get a hand in first - thats almost as effective as saying you cant have one.

Originally Posted by Beavis

The A cat system should be enough to weed out nutters making endorsements moot. I don't like the idea of nutters having access to 10/22's, shotguns and Tikka T3's, let alone AR15's. I get that black rifles attract some people who's cheese ain't on the cracker, but really we have a vetting process to go through, that is meant to weed them out, if it doesn't we are doing something wrong.

Couldn't agree more Beavis, just wish the vetting process was better for A-Cat.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but bolt actions don't attract the kinds of nutters that go and shoot up schools. MSSA do. Like I said, if you want that type of rifle then get the endorsenment, they aren't saying you can't have one and I think that most people would agree that the current A cat FAL is a little easy to get.

I spewed in my mouth when i read this. I always do when i see utter dribble like the above post.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but bolt actions don't attract the kinds of nutters that go and shoot up schools. MSSA do. Like I said, if you want that type of rifle then get the endorsenment, they aren't saying you can't have one and I think that most people would agree that the current A cat FAL is a little easy to get.

where did you study psycoligy again?
peer reviewed examples to back up your claims please, to make them relevant NZ examples only please.
just to show us how the currant system is failing

Benefits of E cat:

Use any stock you want.

Unlimited mag capacity.

Get a rifle in "as issue" format.

Compete in 3 gun and Service rifle

Downsides:

Can't lend your rifle to a mate, can't even let them hold it.

Need to get a permit to procure if you want to buy something. Need to hold onto it.

Pain in the arse getting import permits.

Storage issues if you travel with your rifle - you can't chuck it in your mates A cat safe if you want to go to the pub or do anything else after a hunt or whatever.

E cat AR's are generally pretty expensive.

Limited pool of rifles and parts in country resulting in inflated prices. Can't just go out and import the shit you want. Need special reasons etc.

I'd probably prefer to keep at least one AR on A cat for the above reasons.

This is tongue in cheek but your comment above asked for it. Thats a blanket statement and possibly a little unfair to us non nutters ... who may or may not own MSSA s

Laugh Im not trying to start an argument with you ...

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OOOhhh sounds like you are saying if you own an MSSA theres potential that you could be a nutter

Or if you are a nutter you buy a MSSA ? Strange old world if we all liked the same things ... Nutter firearms should only be allowed to be owned by people who can pass the "Im not a nutter test "

Do they get a weekly check up and all clear in case of head injury or in case they were disguised as not a nutter when they first passed ? .

Utter Peanut Butter Nutter - YouTube

Originally Posted by Happy

This is tongue in cheek but your comment above asked for it. Thats a blanket statement and possibly a little unfair to us non nutters ... who may or may not own MSSA s

Laugh Im not trying to start an argument with you ...

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OOOhhh sounds like you are saying if you own an MSSA theres potential that you could be a nutter

Or if you are a nutter you buy a MSSA ? Strange old world if we all liked the same things ... Nutter firearms should only be allowed to be owned by people who can pass the "Im not a nutter test "

Do they get a weekly check up and all clear in case of head injury or in case they were disguised as not a nutter when they first passed ? .

Utter Peanut Butter Nutter - YouTube

Once again you misinterpreted. Where did I say that all people that are attracted to MSSAs are nutters? There was no blanket statement made.

Originally Posted by Bill999

where did you study psycoligy again?
peer reviewed examples to back up your claims please, to make them relevant NZ examples only please.
just to show us how the currant system is failing

I haven't studied psychology, I never said I did or professed to be an expert in the subject.

What kind of rifle were Mollenar and Gray using? I'm not aware of any NZ peer reviewed studies, there wouldn't be enough data.Should I venture overseas to use examples from them? Just look at what types of weapons are used in the shootings, MSSAs and pistols.

The current system wasn't failing but then the Police went a bit far with the interpretation and then the judge favoured to far back in my opinion. Is it wrong to be pro active with law changes to reflect how society is changing or just better to react?

you might lose your temper and crash your car into a big group of people, better make it illegal for you to own one.
with a slow motocycle would likely make you less inclined to do it

Lets ban all the cars so no one crashes them into a big group of school children
all you need to get to work is 50cc scooters

infact my friends sister was killed by a car intentionally driven into a group of people (actually true)

Originally Posted by Bill999

you might lose your temper and crash your car into a big group of people, better make it illegal for you to own one.
with a slow motocycle would likely make you less inclined to do it

Lets ban all the cars so no one crashes them into a big group of school children
all you need to get to work is 50cc scooters

infact my friends sister was killed by a car intentionally driven into a group of people (actually true)

And my post gets called drivel, you can justify anything with unrealistic examples. I'm stopping now, no far off topic. PM me if you feel like it.

Time to lock her up Mods, we are starting to look like the dark side.........................

na mate I made my point, just wanted to show you what its like to be in the group loosing something that you legally own and safely use today,

whats worse is that the people trying to remove ar15s dont even use them and probably never ever even shot one.

Imagine twenty thousand people who dont own or have never even driven a car going to parliament trying to get them banned, and the parlorment listening to them and going thru the process of banning them

Na if this was fishnhunt it would be worse. At least we can debate above primary school level.

I just think there are more productive ways of enhancing "society" rather than shitting bricks over and spending god knows how much of our cash chasing after handles on rifles.

IIRC Charles Whitman used a bolt-action Remington to shoot a bunch of university students in Austin, TX? Lee Harvey Oswald (allegedly) on JFK?

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but bolt actions don't attract the kinds of nutters that go and shoot up schools. MSSA do. Like I said, if you want that type of rifle then get the endorsenment, they aren't saying you can't have one and I think that most people would agree that the current A cat FAL is a little easy to get.