Thread: ATN night scopes opinions please

Originally Posted by sig4x4

dammit guys . now im on a new track and cant decide between nv007 or 008

Yup I was in your position earlier this year. After talking to Fraser at Owl optics about what I was wanting for a NV I went with the 007.
Slightly cheaper, being able to swap between different the 17 and the 223 and being able to take it off without needing quick detach mounts on the scope is what sold me in the end.

Originally Posted by sig4x4

dammit guys . now im on a new track and cant decide between nv007 or 008

You find yourself up the Kapiti Coast much? If so, pop in and have a look through my pard nv008.

ATN or American Technologies Night Vision are actually made in the ex Communist block but sometimes tubed with American intensifiers. I have an older Crusader Gen2+ scope amongst my Night Gear and it has the American MX9916 tube which is actually Gen2 , The tube was the reason I bought it for my son.
A dedicated riflescope will usually give better accuracy than a clip on. That said some are good with no shift in point of aim. It can be a bit of luck of the draw with clip on scopes. After many years using and importing Night gear I have found Goggles and a dedicated riflescope hard to beat. I have never seen the Pard equipment but have heard good things about it. My personal kit is all Gen3 so have never bothered with Digital or thermal, I have enough $$$ invested in it now.
If you are using thermal then switching to the rifle I would recommend you go to a dedicated NV scope and rifle set up so it would be the Pard 008 for me if your thinking is the 007 or 008.

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I shouldn't have read this thread, how much is the Pard 007? Can it be used as a handheld device until you clip it onto your scope?

Originally Posted by vulcannz

I shouldn't have read this thread, how much is the Pard 007? Can it be used as a handheld device until you clip it onto your scope?

They are $999 and yep can use as handheld
Also if you have more than one adaptor you can attached quickly to say a deer rifle from your rim fire

They are in stock - I’ll take some video with the 007 soon - my scopes have illumination controls that are in the way

now for those interested i'm going to give a very simple version of how NV works:

digital nv is basically a camera at the objective end, some electronics and a tv screen at the ocular end.
"tube nv" is completely different. imagine a normal scope but...behind the objective end is a plate that is charged up to a high negative voltage. at he ocular end a plate thats charged to a positive voltage then more lenses etc.
a small amount of light enters and makes electrons want to leave the front plate, they fly down to the ocular plate as its positively charged/ this plate then releases light towards the eye.
however there is a gain between light input to light output and very basically this is how it works.
ok, thats really simplified but just to give you all an idea

I own and have been using a PARD 008LRF and find it hard to fault, being able to change the 18650 batteries in a few seconds is great.
Still need to look through @Uplandstalker ATN 4K to compare the two but I’m very happy with it and the built in rangefinder and laser are very useful features.
The PARD units get very good reviews in the UK where a lot of people are using them and seem to be the best on the market for the money.
I think Steve (Uplandstalker) is selling an ATN or possibly two if anyone is after one.

I currently have 3 ATN NV scopes. One of each model.

I recent got a 4K Pro and it's certainly the better of the 3. The other two are X-Sight 2 HD and X-Sight HD - both 5-20x. Both of these are for sale if anyone is looked. The X-Sight 2 is on TradeMe at the moment of $1050 and the older one can go for $550. These both have the orginally supplied IR Lamps. BUt would recommend upgrading these to some better. Have take a range of picture the other night at home, all with the same IR Lamp. Some pictures below:

X-Sight at 50m and 300m



X-Sight 2 at about 50m and 350m



As mentioned, the battery life on the earlier ATN was a bit shit, but that's becase they run off 4x AA. So depends on the quality of what you put in it. Unto 2 hours with Lithium. But I run a external USB power pack in a stock pack with mine. The 4K is magic for battery life!!!

These Fallow were about 350m with the X-sight 2.

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I notice the comment about "Illuminators ... THAT animals CANNOT see". Does this mean the built in illuminator is partially visible?

Originally Posted by vulcannz

I notice the comment about "Illuminators ... THAT animals CANNOT see". Does this mean the built in illuminator is partially visible?

850nm which is what it comes with and want most IR torches are create that red glow that we can see at the torch - 850 can be seen by animals its towards the end of their visible spectrum - they may not react though, rabbits don't seem to care (commercial hunters are using the 008) - deer may; or they may just ignore it (don't flash it around) or as in one clients case the look straight him to be shot between the eyes
The UK uses a heap of Night Vision with 850 - but a lot of that is Rabbits, Rats and Foxes

905 that I've tested on pigs can't be seen during my tests, including one at 60m with the laser focused on its head didn't - until the 308 pill smacked into it
940 certainly can't be seen - tried that on farm deer

Depends on the animals too - also lower power levels, don't flash it around (this is any IR torch, not just the pard)

well ive bitten the bullet and a 007 is on its way.weighed up pros and cons and being able to shift it between bang sticks was the decider. now a little boy waits

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thanks for all the input guys

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Where does one buy one of these Pard's? After reading this thread I'm very interested.