Thread: a cat endorsed onto your e cat

Yup, he got a positive outcome in that he won. The result is worse than if he'd left it alone.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Yup, he got a positive outcome in that he won. The result is worse than if he'd left it alone.

Depends on which side you view it from

Worse for the police
Worse for the firearms owning public

Not worse for Richard Lincoln - loads more legal wrangling to come...

Cui bono - who benefits ? You could see the NSA simply as a vehicle designed to further the future prospects of a very astute law student / lawyer. The harder the crackdown, the bigger the backlash, ultimately it only benefits one of the three parties above...

Time to start the partition?

I'm lost. How is this screwing anyone over?

Originally Posted by Beavis

I'm lost. How is this screwing anyone over?

Because up until a few days ago, you could cruise over to your local AO and say quietly and with no risk of prejudice "'Ere, guvnor, I wanna put this 'ere A-cat AR on my E-endorsement so's I can use 'er wi' a fuck-off big-arse mag in Service Rifle matches" and it would be done. But now someone at Pol HQ has got the hump big time and issued an edict to all AO's sayin' "No bastard can do nuffink with MSSA's until my blood pressure drops and that ain't gonna happen any time soon...". Now even if such a thing isn't backed up by any acts of law, you have to go to court to challenge it. Or use the Pol 67H technique. Either way, you pay. Thankyou Mr Lincoln.

Its the unknown thats screwing most people over.

The endorsement system has been thrown into complete chaos just as the MSSA ammendment is about to come into effect.

The best thing that could happen is that the definition of a pistol grip is left as is so that everyone can just keep on doing what they do.

Well if they hadn't fucked with the great system we had pre 2009 none of this would have happened.

How could you get that done? People in two different districts I know couldn't get it done. In discussions with my own AO he said he would not do this either. Do some people get special treatment or what?

I fail to see where the current a b e endorsement doesn't work and now each firearm is endorsed as such
What that means is those that have any endorsement or want to pursue that line of firearm collection or sport is now looking at $200 per gun.
So eg: if you have 1/2 dozen E cat guns and want to go overseas for 2 months and move them to a mates for storage then you're looking at $2500 to secure your guns and get them back.
And all because some jumped up prick is on a crusade 'on behalf of us all'
Quite frankly I'm sick to death of the cunt, hes not doing and masses and favors but the court bullshit is just cementing things in place for no progression for the real masses. Minority ideals and wants
It's little wonder why the NSA doesn't get invited to meetings and the going ons behind the scenes.
The rubbishing of Colfo constantly is appalling where end of the day, they are working with and making head way with the Police, the complete opposite of NSA
I'm not a Colfo supporter but given the choice to make its a no brainer

Time to speak out I think and condemn a self appointed party that's acting on OUR behalf

Sure as hell don't speak for me, and judging by the last few range shoots I've done, noone else there either.

You can have your own opinion but when you say nothing and everyone else brings it up and agrees with your thinking, then maybe you're not far off the mark

Originally Posted by Spanners

I fail to see where the current a b e endorsement doesn't work and now each firearm is endorsed as such
What that means is those that have any endorsement or want to pursue that line of firearm collection or sport is now looking at $200 per gun.
So eg: if you have 1/2 dozen E cat guns and want to go overseas for 2 months and move them to a mates for storage then you're looking at $2500 to secure your guns and get them back.
And all because some jumped up prick is on a crusade 'on behalf of us all'
Quite frankly I'm sick to death of the cunt, hes not doing and masses and favors but the court bullshit is just cementing things in place for no progression for the real masses. Minority ideals and wants
It's little wonder why the NSA doesn't get invited to meetings and the going ons behind the scenes.
The rubbishing of Colfo is constantly is appalling where end of the day, they are working with and making head way with the Police, the complete opposite of NSA

Time to speak out I think and condemn a self appointed party that's acting on OUR behalf

Sure as hell don't speak for me, and judging by the last few range shoots I've done, noone else there either.

You can have your own opinion but when you nothing and everyone else brings it up and agrees with you, maybe you're not far off the mark

COLFO have never acheived anything as far as Im concerned. They are the consumate police lap dog attending meetings so that the police can say they have consulted the firearms community. To top it off they rob members of associate organisations for fees to 'fight the battle' but then dont have the balls to do anything other than be a police HQ yes man

Originally Posted by Digit

COLFO have never acheived anything as far as Im concerned. They are the consumate police lap dog attending meetings so that the police can say they have consulted the firearms community. To top it off they rob members of associate organisations for fees to 'fight the battle' but then dont have the balls to do anything other than be a police HQ yes man

Maybe as you see it or have been lead to believe by the rantings of a few antis, but as was said early in the piece by a few of the idiots, 'you're either with or against us'
If you honestly think we're going to gain ANYTHING out of all this shit, you are truly mistaken and have been sucked into the dribble and been brainwashed.

Originally Posted by Spanners

Maybe as you see it or have been lead to believe by the rantings of a few antis, but as was said early in the piece by a few of the idiots, 'you're either with or against us'
If you honestly think we're going to gain ANYTHING out of all this shit, you are truly mistaken and have been sucked into the dribble and been brainwashed.

And here I was thinking you would present a legitimate argument for the existence of COLFO.

In the meantime you have been allowed to import, possess and sell A Cat ARs entirely off the back of the legal out come from a NSA court case. A bit 2 faced.

Originally Posted by Digit

And here I was thinking you would present a legitimate argument for the existence of COLFO.

In the meantime you have been allowed to import, possess and sell A Cat ARs entirely off the back of the legal out come from a NSA court case. A bit 2 faced.

I could try, but would I actually get anywhere with someone that has a different opinion?
As I said I'm not a Colfo supporter
It's like religion or politics.. You can never win

BTW I had A cat ARs, imported them and sold them long before any if this shit came about, so to be honest nothing has changed and if anything it has created more hoops to jump through.

Yes, previously there was inconsistancies from district to district depending on how involved your AO was with the sport and the enjoyment gun ownership.

Originally Posted by Digit

Yes, previously there was inconsistancies from district to district depending on how involved your AO was with the sport and the enjoyment gun ownership.

I think you're mistaken Digit. Local arms officers have never had the delegated power to issue endorsements. These always went via PNHQ / JG.