Thread: Changing a rifle from A cat to E cat HELP!

Originally Posted by Moutere

If it were me, I would make sure the receiver had an affected pistol grip rather than an A-cat compliant one and get it done tomorrow.

He would then be creating a MSSA without an authority to do so.

What lawful reason would the Police have for denying the application?

Where is the legislation that allows them to refuse a license holder to convert an A to an E after June 11?

The June 11 cut off date is the end of the "grace period" for possession of a rifle effected by the order in council. It should have no bearing on any future conversions of A to E firearms.

Although what the law is and what the Police do is sometimes two very different things.

the cut off date is all about weather you want to pay the 200+ endorsement fee or not

Originally Posted by Trevs

When I took my form in the Station was not interested in sighting the firearm they take your form and send it off to the arms Officer. When the arms officer comes over to inspect your safe then they take note of the serial number to match it against the POL67X Form (That you had written down). As the Arms officer said to me a few weeks ago you just need to get your form in before the cut off date and if it take a month or so to be processed your still under the 6 month grace.

This is a good discussion point. The police guff suggest people have until 11 June 2014 to 'apply for an endorsement to a specific MSSA' (67X). To me that reads that one must already have an E endorsed licence by 11 June to be able to do this.
Ie the grace period is just for the specific endorsement, not the E (endorsement) on your licence.
What a mess.
Sounds far more practical to allow people to submit applications for both prior to the 11th.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

He would then be creating a MSSA without an authority to do so.

What lawful reason would the Police have for denying the application?

Where is the legislation that allows them to refuse a license holder to convert an A to an E after June 11?

The June 11 cut off date is the end of the "grace period" for possession of a rifle effected by the order in council. It should have no bearing on any future conversions of A to E firearms.

Although what the law is and what the Police do is sometimes two very different things.

It was just a suggestion to make things easy, not a breakdown of legal rights, just trying to politely help a guy out

Originally Posted by Koshogi

He would then be creating a MSSA without an authority to do so.

The guy said he was already endorsed, is that not authority enough?

I understand that the advice was in the interest of making it easy.

It was also advice on how to break the law.

My suggestion is. Don't take advice from an Internet forum on a subject that has the potential to put you in gaol, without first getting legal advice from an attorney.

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

I understand that the advice was in the interest of making it easy.

It was also advice on how to break the law.

My suggestion is. Don't take advice from an Internet forum on a subject that has the potential to put you in gaol, without first getting legal advice from an attorney.

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I was assuming it was originally bought with a non compliant grip

Originally Posted by Moutere

The guy said he was already endorsed, is that not authority enough?

No it isn't. Judging by the enforcement of the law in previous cases.

To afix a pistol grip to a semi auto after Dec 11 2013 is the same as placing a 30rd magazine in one. It is creating a MSSA. Remember each individual firearm must be endorsed.

Originally Posted by Moutere

Ok then, who has the authority to swap the parts?

He does.

AFTER he has submitted his POL67X.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

He does.

AFTER he has submitted his POL67X.

So why didn't you just say that earlier, rather than come off like the internet police.
I agree, your suggestion is better/correct.

June 11 has no bearing here as OP is already endorsed, so there's no rush.

Get a 67X form, write "i gunna put a pestul grip on mah gun" or what ever you want in the "how will this MSSA be created" or whatever it says box, take the form and the rifle into the cop shop to prove the paperwork matches up with the rifle in question, proceed to have fun with your new E-Cat rifle. No money needed, no rush required.

The only time I have seen people have trouble with the 67X form is with stuff that was initially put onto a 'C' endorsement, as the police instantly associate 'C' with machine guns and full auto, when in reality the rifle (an M1 Garand) should have been on 'E' in the first place.

Originally Posted by Moutere

If it were me, I would make sure the receiver had an affected pistol grip rather than an A-cat compliant one and get it done tomorrow.

This led me to believe you were implying to "ensure it had a pistol grip".

My apologies if I came across as the fuzz. I'll be the first to admit that my bedside manner sucks. My intent was only to edumacate.

This is a potentially serious "offence" that many "ignorant" owners are committing.

Originally Posted by Trevs

the cut off date is all about weather you want to pay the 200+ endorsement fee or not

Ignore any message from me, I was working on the idea that you did not have a current e-cat endorsement on your license , but your are just looking to turn one of your other A-Cat's to E. So from what others have said you can do it anytime as the E-Endorsement fee waiver is for those that where not E endorsement on there licence but there firearm has now become reclassified as a MSSA. I'm just going to hide under a blanket now

As others have said - the process is really simple. Take the rifle into the cop shop, see the AO and say you want to transfer it onto your E. Get the X form, fill it out - AO compares serial number to what you have written and bobs your mothers brother. I just did this last week

However - rumour has it (confirmed by my AO) that PNHQ have issued a notice to arms officers saying they are not to do this after June 11th. Current advice is that they have no legal standpoint for doing so, but I am sure they can make it most difficult if they want.

Will be interesting to see how things pan out.

All sorted guys, just took it in and the arms officer sighted it ang my E endorsed license and filled out the paperwork for me too, actually it took almost an hour after we talked about rifles, reloading etc! Done and dusted though, still don't know if I did the right thing, now something that only needed normal security and anybody could shoot has now become a one man gun with security restrictions, just because of a piece of paper, a bit silly really!