Thread: E-CAT Endorsement Requirements

Originally Posted by FletchNZ

The correct answer to question one is....

1. Why do I need a MSSA?
For hunting, target shooting, SRA shooting, collecting and such other lawful uses that may from time to time interest me.

At twenty, thirty, yeah I would have been utterly honest, something like the above. At 50 ive learned the hard way that to get what you want you have to play in others arenas with their game rules in order to get what you want.

So maybe we should all try and write out good, model answers for the model questions. Here is my first stab,

So i'd say I shoot Palma/FTR 308w at a club, I shoot 22LR at another club and I shoot service rifle(s) at another club. I aspire to be competitive at National level and even one day represent my country in international competition. To do this I believe I need specialist, competitive firearms and use them in a variety of situations so I am safe, familiar and competent with them even in un-expected scenarios. To that end after advice from my club and my own research I wish to acquire an AR15 and use it as much as possible for all my shooting, which will be target, hunting and competition.

I currently own cat A, an SKS, an SVD/tigr in 308wincester, a Mosin Nagant, and 2 x 22LRs. I also own 4 Lee Enfields so far, one acquired for bush hunting (which is now worn out), one for long range target shooting, the other two I am restoring to original, one for service shooting the last as I like collecting them.

I reload for all of the above, so 7.62x39mm, 7.62x54R, .303brit, 308wincester.

If you get caught lying then your whole application will be thrown out and receive a big black mark against your name I imagine.

I already use my A-Cat AR and Vepr for hunting, so when they are made MSSA's that will remain a valid use for me.

Originally Posted by Savage1

If you get caught lying then your whole application will be thrown out and receive a big black mark against your name I imagine.

Who said / suggested a lie? Have you ever got your CV written up? All I am suggesting is telling the truth but in a way that's a) good english (not my strong point) and b) gets across the valid and truthful points across that count.

Model answers can't hurt to help the less-articulate amongst us.

Was talking to someone the other day who said that both referees you put forward must also hold an E cat. Is this right? Sounds bloody tough to me. I wouldn't have anybody to testify for me in that situation.

Originally Posted by mcche171

Was talking to someone the other day who said that both referees you put forward must also hold an E cat. Is this right? Sounds bloody tough to me. I wouldn't have anybody to testify for me in that situation.

I don't think there's any legislation to support that and it makes it unreasonably hard for a lot of people to get

I got my E and B finally 2 weeks ago. That form is still current. You don't need endorsed referees. My missus no licence and mate with an A cat were mine. During the interview I was asked the same question many times. Why do I need these endorsements?! Overall it was pretty easy. Just takes a bit of effort on your side.

Originally Posted by mcche171

Was talking to someone the other day who said that both referees you put forward must also hold an E cat. Is this right? Sounds bloody tough to me. I wouldn't have anybody to testify for me in that situation.

From Section 16.5 of the Police Firearms Manual:

In addition to the usual two referees required for form Pol 67J, the application when
forwarded to the Area Controller shall also have attached two further references as to the
applicant’s character and fitness to possess MSSA’s. The referees must be endorsement
holders or persons who are serving members of an organisation associated with firearms
or bona fide collectors or persons who are able to demonstrate a long term interest in
firearms. References from acquaintances, no matter how worthy are of no value unless
they verify the applicant’s fitness for the endorsement.

Thanks Burb. Good to know and completely agree gimp, would made it near impossible. O well time to get a nice new safe. Any advice on where to buy a good E cat safe around chch?? rather it not be from gun city but needs are needs.

Originally Posted by steven

Who said / suggested a lie? Have you ever got your CV written up? All I am suggesting is telling the truth but in a way that's a) good english (not my strong point) and b) gets across the valid and truthful points across that count.

Oh and in terms of a black mark that to me means you are not "fit and proper" to hold even a cat A if you have lied to get an E, So I'd expect and hope you would lose your FAL.

Well the reply I got from the Police was nearly useless.
They did however email me the scanned application form. Nothing else though, even though I did ask for ALL the information regarding endorsement requirements.
Not even a worded reply or anything, just the attachment of the scanned form.

It does state on the POL. 67H form that the referees "must be people with currant FAL's who are dealers, collectors, or serving members of a recognised firearms organisation. They must be able to demonstrate long term experiences with firearms. These referees are in addition to the referees nominated for an A licence".

So they don't need to hold an E-CAT to be a referee, but reading between the lines it would be good to have someone that does.

There doesn't seem to be any conformity with AO's, I went around to the local Cop Shop this arfo to get an "E" application form, he was a crumpy bugger.
He crossed out the section on referees and attached another form for referees to complete. He was more worried how the safe was going to be bolted to the floor.
This other form only states that the referees must be over 20, know you well and must have a current FAL.

Everyone ought to just apply for their E. 2000 applications at once would be amusing.

Originally Posted by gimp

Everyone ought to just apply for their E. 2000 applications at once would be amusing.

Would be a bit like the Canterbury City Council building permit debarcle. lol