Thread: E-CAT Endorsement Requirements

Originally Posted by gimp

Problems I have with E-cat security:


-It's going to be very very difficult for me to implement either of the required methods of securing the safe in my house. There's no underfloor access or concrete floors. I will have to literally rip up the floor.

-Is there actually any proof at all that the bigger heavier and vastly more expensive safe actually reduces theft?

Have to agree, there's situations where the guidelines just won't work. I also think there's a balance to be struck - having a safe bolted to the concrete pad in your detached garage may not be as "secure" as a safe in your wardrobe bolted to the floor. I'd have a chat to your local vetter - I know of instances where alternative arrangements have been acceptable. For example, huge steel plate bolted to the floor, safe welded or bolted permanently to the plate and floor (bolts were welded or loctite'd so they can't be undone).

The safe room requirements can sometimes be a little easier if you're handy - from memory there's an option where you replace the gib with mesh and construction ply, and install a secure door (steel plate/locks etc). Need not be a room - could be a wardrobe or something.

Originally Posted by murky

Have to agree, there's situations where the guidelines just won't work. I also think there's a balance to be struck - having a safe bolted to the concrete pad in your detached garage may not be as "secure" as a safe in your wardrobe bolted to the floor. I'd have a chat to your local vetter - I know of instances where alternative arrangements have been acceptable. For example, huge steel plate bolted to the floor, safe welded or bolted permanently to the plate and floor (bolts were welded or loctite'd so they can't be undone).

The safe room requirements can sometimes be a little easier if you're handy - from memory there's an option where you replace the gib with mesh and construction ply, and install a secure door (steel plate/locks etc). Need not be a room - could be a wardrobe or something.

That is what I was going to suggest. A safe room could be the way to go if you have a spare room available. Build a man cave while you are at it.

Is it possible, after serving the military it is easier to get your E-CAT, understanding you need an E-CAT when your in the military since they use 30 round mags.
The reason could be your taking a break from the military and you need to keep your shooting at the same recommendations and your joined a rifle club.

Originally Posted by James J.

Is it possible, after serving the military it is easier to get your E-CAT, understanding you need an E-CAT when your in the military since they use 30 round mags.
The reason could be your taking a break from the military and you need to keep your shooting at the same recommendations and your joined a rifle club.

Far as I'm aware being military or ex military has nothing to do with it. You don't have an E-Cat in the military - you just get vetted for security and then trained on the range of weapons from 9mm to 105mm depending on your job

Just to add that someone mentioned that one of your character referees had to be E-endorsed. My AO did not specifically mention this at all - just that I required 3 of them, AO discretion perhaps? It's not listed as a requirement on the POL67 form.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Just to add that someone mentioned that one of your character referees had to be E-endorsed. My AO did not specifically mention this at all - just that I required 3 of them, AO discretion perhaps? It's not listed as a requirement on the POL67 form.

Yeah, its not a requirement to have FAL endorsed referees, but it certainly does help.

TLDR

Looking at getting the E cat endorsement and reading up on the application. Is ONLY item 1 below a valid reason for getting E-cat endorsement. I was under the impression that all E-cat holders need to be involved with competition or a requirement for work. I have no intention of doing either.

FYI my collection consists of a .22. Looking at a AR-15 to add to my "collection".

A few years ago I sold my SL8 to a friend. Apparently him having this rifle in itself was a good enough reason to get a E-cat.

The individual applying for the endorsement:
1. seeks to possess the MSSA as part of a collection, and demonstrates
that it fits with and enhances an existing or planned collection, or
2. participates in an identifiable shooting discipline or sport at an
incorporated sports club with rules encouraging safe and legal use of
firearms and a range certified for the shooting activity and intends to
use the MSSA in an event at that sports club, or
3. wishes to use the MSSA in a capacity equivalent to that described in
section 29(2)(e) of the Arms Act 1983 (‘theatrical purposes’), or
4. requires the MSSA for occupational purposes.

The only requirements for an E endorsement are that the individual is fit and proper and can satisfy security requirements. All the rest of it is made up. You have a right to apply for it and they have an obligation to consider all applications.

Originally Posted by TotaraHunter

TLDR

Looking at getting the E cat endorsement and reading up on the application. Is ONLY item 1 below a valid reason for getting E-cat endorsement. I was under the impression that all E-cat holders need to be involved with competition or a requirement for work. I have no intention of doing either.

FYI my collection consists of a .22. Looking at a AR-15 to add to my "collection".

A few years ago I sold my SL8 to a friend. Apparently him having this rifle in itself was a good enough reason to get a E-cat.

You don't need a 'reason ' or be a member of anything. Put down what you actually want them for, and include "and any other lawful purpose ".

The law only requires you to be "a fit and proper person ".

"30B Power to make endorsement in respect of military style semi-automatic firearm
On receiving an application under section 30A, a member of the Police may, subject to any direction from the Commissioner, make the endorsement applied for if that member is satisfied that the applicant is a fit and proper person to be in possession of the military style semi-automatic firearm to which that application relates."

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p.../DLM72942.html

Ok doesn't seem to be that difficult then. I was wanting to build a precision AR and going E-cat is "only way" I can do it.

Wife has said straight out NO though. I'm having a very hard time convincing her and at this stage its not looking good.

Originally Posted by TotaraHunter

I was wanting to build a precision AR and going E-cat is "only way" I can do it.

Why is E cat the only way totarahunter?

Also why does your wife oppose it? Tell her its no different to getting your class 4 on your NZDL. It expands your licence & allows you to do more. Basically you can lawfully buy MSSA's in their normal config, not restricted due to essentially aesthetic reasons.

Your wife knows the difference between an AR15 that is an A cat and an AR15 that is an E cat?

He's talking about the cost alone I imagine....

I dread the day my wife finds out how many ARs I actually have. E and A.