Thread: Educate me on bushpigs

was 300blk a factory option @tikka?
how do you overcome the supersonic/subsonic differences in POI?

Just get a scout rifle they come puropse built, 308 is the only proper calibre. Make Jeff Cooper proud.

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you ended up with a Tikka Superlite?
If that's correct then you cant really have more than an inch or two taken off it as you don't want to be threading the fluted section.

Originally Posted by ChrisW

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you ended up with a Tikka Superlite?
If that's correct then you cant really have more than an inch or two taken off it as you don't want to be threading the fluted section.

I had wondered about that as well.

Originally Posted by ChrisW

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you ended up with a Tikka Superlite?
If that's correct then you cant really have more than an inch or two taken off it as you don't want to be threading the fluted section.

I also wondered about that, Ill just get shortened what I can. Thank you for your input mate!

Originally Posted by Been Upto

I also wondered about that, Ill just get shortened what I can. Thank you for your input mate!

If that is the case then you could look at buying another barrel. Dan Hardy sells ones new from time to time on trademe. They are taken off new rifles that he then puts his barrels on for builds. They tend to go for about $250-300 if my memory serves me right, Then you could get that cut back and still have your superlite barrel for later.

But then you have the added costs of gunsmith swapping barrels aswell.

Or just buy a whole new rifle....perfect excuse to an another to the safe hahaha

I honestly would not bother with the whole "bush pig" thing, getting a new barrel etc on a new gun imo is way too much cost and effort then it is worth just to shorten it by a few more inches.

You have a brand new rifle, if you must have a suppressor just get one that goes back over the barrel a fair way, and if you must shorten it then loose only an inch or two. It will be a similar weight to a "bush pig" anyway because of the fluted barrel.
I personally would not even bother with the suppressor unless I was actually shooting a lot of rounds without hearing protection...in which case id probably just pack some electronic earmuffs with me.

Originally Posted by ChrisW

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you ended up with a Tikka Superlite?
If that's correct then you cant really have more than an inch or two taken off it as you don't want to be threading the fluted section.

Have had plenty of rifles with thread In the fluted section.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Have had plenty of rifles with thread In the fluted section.

Yes you can do it but it does not make it ideal. Its good practice to keep the thread as larger dia as possible as not to reduce the wall thickness too much. If you make the thread as small as the the flutes are deep then the wall thickness remaining will be quite thin. If you thread it so that the flutes are still present then gas will escape backwards through the flutes.
I would strongly suggest that the OP does not butcher a new gun in such a way. If it was an old beater then sure - but as soon as he does that it will loose much of its value and desirability. I would never consider such a gun.

I don't have any suppressed centrefire but I agree they have their place. I do struggle with the logic behind cutting down a rifle to make it handier in the bush then adding a suppressor which makes it less handier.
I usually take my Winchester M94 Trapper lever action when bush hunting, which is less than 10cm off being classed as a pistol so can't get much handier. Yes, it is loud, but I'm not firing many shots without hearing protection.

I have a tikka with a 16" barrel and a dpt suppressor with an extra baffle.
Would not go back to a full length rifle with suppressor. carrying a full length in a sling makes it end heavy.
I personally find the 16-18" barrels way nicer, and if its just a bush rifle that you don't intend to use at long ranges then you won't even notice the differences in speed.
The last few deer i have shot didn't notice the difference in speed.
In saying that everyone is different and likes different things. but a 16" 308 for example will do 95% of what a full length one will do,, for majority of people
just my 2cents

Originally Posted by Cigar

I don't have any suppressed centrefire but I agree they have their place. I do struggle with the logic behind cutting down a rifle to make it handier in the bush then adding a suppressor which makes it less handier.
I usually take my Winchester M94 Trapper lever action when bush hunting, which is less than 10cm off being classed as a pistol so can't get much handier. Yes, it is loud, but I'm not firing many shots without hearing protection.

Dude you must have missed the memo about single loud noise exposure creating lasting and ongoing cumulative damage. If you are any good as a hunter you will be firing more shots that will damage your hearing, than you might be prepared to live with whilst getting old. I know its bloody annoying not hearing animals sneaking around that my young mates can hear. Suppressors are the single most important discretionary choice that you can make to protect your hearing, so consider it an investment in your future hunting. I just wish they were an option for me in my teens and twenties. Might not have that perpetual ringing noise that accompanies me all of the time now days if they had of been.

Come on do the maths.. no one is cutting down rifles to make them handier outside of suppressor use. 20-22 inch unsuppressed barrels are fine for bush hunting, if you prefer deafness from noise, lessened shootability, less confusion from game, more neighbour disturbance and more perceived recoil.

Rifles are being cut down to make suppressor equipped rifles the same sort of length as those 20-22 inch factory length barrels. As handy with a suppressor at the same overall length. And that is perfectly logical.

The benefits of suppressors more than justify the loss of 4 inches of barrel and 100fps. Worrying about that appears to be entirely illogical. Besides, reloaders using faster powders can make up most of any speed lost from shortened barrels. And that is still logical.

The fascinating thing about those with negative opinions about well set up shortened and suppressed rifles, is that those holding such opinions usually don't have, or haven't owned a well set up shortened and suppressed rifle to enable them to form a creditable opinion. You know actually knowing something about what they want to share with the rest of us.

Its the world we live in...

Originally Posted by burtonator

I have a tikka with a 16" barrel and a dpt suppressor with an extra baffle.
Would not go back to a full length rifle with suppressor. carrying a full length in a sling makes it end heavy.
I personally find the 16-18" barrels way nicer, and if its just a bush rifle that you don't intend to use at long ranges then you won't even notice the differences in speed.
The last few deer i have shot didn't notice the difference in speed.
In saying that everyone is different and likes different things. but a 16" 308 for example will do 95% of what a full length one will do,, for majority of people
just my 2cents

Yes i agree, it all depends on what you will be using said rifle for, most of us have at least a couple of rifles for various purposes. One of mine is T3 cut to 17" with a DPT magnum suppressor, chambered for 284win (was a 7mm08, rechambered). It has a LA mag and bolt stop fitted and i run 162 Amax seated out long. They do just over 2700 fps, at 700 yards it still retains 1226 ft-lbs and 1850 fps.

Its super nice and light to carry, short and easy to get through tight scrub, doesnt catch on things when slung, its balance is really nice. Firing it is much easier on the ears obviously.

Its the rifle i take when i just dont know exactly what the hunt will entale, ie a bush or river hunt with the chance of a longer shot type of thing.

IE Sunday morning I went for a hunt with a mate to one of his old stomping grounds, took the 17" 284. We ended up spoting some deer across a gully at 370 yards, dialed on the 4.5 moa needed and let one rip - Dead deer.

A short handy length rifle especially when running heavy for cal high BC bullets and matched with a dialable scope is a very practical, capable and versatile game harvester.

A 308 running a heavier frangible bullet wouldnt be much different.

I wouldn’t have a centrefire without a suppressor fitted now,even my .44 has a can on it...my ears and my hunting dogs ears thank me..

Originally Posted by Sidney

Dude you must have missed the memo about single loud noise exposure creating lasting and ongoing cumulative damage.

EXACTLY. Even with a suppressor that single loud noise is still in the permanent damaging range. Just lower...but still damaging.

Every time your ears hurt or Ring. That is damage to your hearing that you will never get back.