Thread: Firearm Registry Data Questions and Answers

Originally Posted by Mintie

Here it is ...!

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The arms items needing to be registered, differ from the definition of arms items in the act.

Major firearm part.

It doesn't matter what the law says, it matters how the police interpret it & chose to enforce it

Originally Posted by DPT

The arms items needing to be registered, differ from the definition of arms items in the act.

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There you go people who were wondering about damaged or non working firearms

So not barrels then by the looks.
Pretty much action related

My personal opinion - we should not draw attention to the inconsistencies..essentially the prudent approach is to refer to the least restrictive wording or interpretation in any of the official info…

One of the certainties of policy is that where there is ambiguity, it will be replaced by complexity.

Originally Posted by Kimber 7mm-08

Just went through this conversation with the 0800 call center staff.

Was planning on getting my rifle bedded, and asked if supplying my firearm to the gunsmith was a triggering event e.g. supplying an arms item. His answer no as it was a temporary. I then said where is that stated on the website. He pointed me to this section:
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I then pointed out that that section clearly states 'once you have registered your arms' so not applicable if I haven't registered anything yet.

My reading is that any receiving or supplying in this case is a triggering event regardless of whom it may go to (Licenced Firearm Owner or dealer/gunshop for works etc). The website seems to back this up.
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He couldn't definitively answer the question, about 'supply' and as that isn't defined anywhere, I'm awaiting a call back from his supervisor to confirm what it all means. I am not holding my breath on the call back.

My 2c view on the above is that if at anytime before I have registered my firearms, I supply an 'arms item' to another person (be that a mate borrowing a rifle for a hunting weekend, or a gunsmith bedding, re-crowning, suppressor fitting, etc) and it is out of my possession then that is a triggering event - happy to be proved wrong, but the website seems to suggest I'm right.


EDIT:

Did a bit more digging and found this in the Arms Legislation Act 2020, which I think clarifies it (if only their website made it clear!)
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Why would the regulator, who should know the law and regulations, make it clear to those they are regulating?
The good thing about ambiguity is they can apply any meaning to it they want and be correct in their minds.

Their aim seems to be to mislead LFO's and get as many firearms registered as soon as possible so they can claim it a success and they have data in the database so they can see if it works and improve it as they see fit.

Why would you register any firearm if you haven't triggered an event to cause you to I am unsure, at present the database is beta 1.0 in 2 years time it will most likely be trial ver 5.5 and by 2028 it will probably be trial ver 25.9 I think I'd rather wait and enter my data when they have ironed most of the bugs out of it.
Also in 2028 if they only have 30% of the firearms owners that have registered their firearms I would think they would go into panic mode and possibly open up different processes to register your firearms.

What happens if your wife, who has a FL but doesn't own any firearms buys ammunition, what does she have to register?

Originally Posted by 19Badger

What happens if your wife, who has a FL but doesn't own any firearms buys ammunition, what does she have to register?

Not an issue until June 24 2025

Originally Posted by 19Badger

What happens if your wife, who has a FL but doesn't own any firearms buys ammunition, what does she have to register?

Bloody good point!

why would she have to register ANYTHING????...at this point in time you dont need a firearm registered to your name to enable you to purchase ammunition for it..... maybe in theory for a handgun..but not for longarms.

I bought a similar point up before. You only have one firearm and you sell it what is there to register?

Originally Posted by blip

I bought a similar point up before. You only have one firearm and you sell it what is there to register?

I'm guessing you'd only have to register the fact that you sold it.

I do wonder how many private sales of arms & ammo would be registered and therefore be trigger events.

Originally Posted by blip

I bought a similar point up before. You only have one firearm and you sell it what is there to register?

I think there is a declaration of not owning anything for the time?