Thread: Here we go folks

Originally Posted by NZVarminter

My vote goes to timattalon for the best reply so far.

However we should not be asking for this bill to be amended. It must be withdrawn completely. There is nothing wrong with the current legislation. If he wants to make a positive change, then change the sentencing!

I do wonder if Politicians think it's easier to just make a new law rather than convince gutless Judges to actually hand out decent sentences.
That's the only reason I can think for the Bill, surely the MP in question is aware of the current laws (you'd bloody well hope so).

I foresee things only getting worse (weak sentences) with Andrew Little saying he wants less people in prisons.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I do wonder if Politicians think it's easier to just make a new law rather than convince gutless Judges to actually hand out decent sentences.
That's the only reason I can think for the Bill, surely the MP in question is aware of the current laws (you'd bloody well hope so).

I foresee things only getting worse (weak sentences) with Andrew Little saying he wants less people in prisons.

There used to be room in Australia for that type of person but now they are refunding them back to us....even if they did not come from here to start with

Originally Posted by oneipete

Guys, just be aware that sending an email is very well n all, you will receive an automated response.

But sending a hand written letter means that by law MP's have to personally reply as i understand it. So a ton of handwritten letters will really make him sit up and take notice.

Well.... Better touch up my handwriting ha.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I do wonder if Politicians think it's easier to just make a new law rather than convince gutless Judges to actually hand out decent sentences.
That's the only reason I can think for the Bill, surely the MP in question is aware of the current laws (you'd bloody well hope so).

I foresee things only getting worse (weak sentences) with Andrew Little saying he wants less people in prisons.

I doubt it. That Iranian woman knows bugger all about firearms laws but thinks that pistols are unregulated.

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Originally Posted by oneipete

Guys, just be aware that sending an email is very well n all, you will receive an automated response.

But sending a hand written letter means that by law MP's have to personally reply as i understand it. So a ton of handwritten letters will really make him sit up and take notice.

awesome, do they have to reply with a hand written letter also?

I may be dumb, and apologise for the politics, but why are National working on this and not our current government?

Any member of parliament can propose new legislation, it goes in a draw (as a Private members bill) to see if it goes before Parliament. If it gets drawn then Parliament votes on it. Unless you are in the government it is unlikely to get passed unless you can convince enough government members to support it (which is unlikely).
Government has the right to introduce new legislation when they want, pretty much.

Originally Posted by stug

Any member of parliament can propose new legislation, it goes in a draw (as a Private members bill) to see if it goes before Parliament. If it gets drawn then Parliament votes on it. Unless you are in the government it is unlikely to get passed unless you can convince enough government members to support it (which is unlikely).
Government has the right to introduce new legislation when they want, pretty much.

Sounds like the waste of time it reads like

It's called Politics.

Originally Posted by Gibo

I may be dumb, and apologise for the politics, but why are National working on this and not our current government?

Because our current government is busy working out how much damage winny can do and how to fix it while the boss is at home with bubs.....

Originally Posted by NZVarminter

My vote goes to timattalon for the best reply so far.

However we should not be asking for this bill to be amended. It must be withdrawn completely. There is nothing wrong with the current legislation. If he wants to make a positive change, then change the sentencing!

I see this bandied about a bunch, but statistically harsher sentencing has a pretty negligible effect on crime rate. The biggest deterrent comes in an uptake of certainty of sentencing. Ie how likely is it that I will get caught. In short if we want to reduce the crime, we need police and investigation resource out there catching more crims. That or some sort of wholesale seeping social and economic change, but I think the police resource is.probably the easier answer.

I don't really get what this bill is meant to achieve, and don't see it going anywhere

Originally Posted by Gibo

Sounds like the waste of time it reads like

One of the earlier posts mentioned it was getting ready 2020 when they expect to be back. Never a waste of time to let them know we are on their heels.

Originally Posted by Nick-D

I see this bandied about a bunch, but statistically harsher sentencing has a pretty negligible effect on crime rate. The biggest deterrent comes in an uptake of certainty of sentencing. Ie how likely is it that I will get caught. In short if we want to reduce the crime, we need police and investigation resource out there catching more crims. That or some sort of wholesale seeping social and economic change, but I think the police resource is.probably the easier answer.

I don't really get what this bill is meant to achieve, and don't see it going anywhere

Statistically if someone has to actually SERVE 30+ years for serious violent crime they are extremely unlikely to commit another violent crime against the mostly law abiding populace during that 30 year period.

police komodo dragons, trained to eat first ask questions later.
I know i am repeating myself here, but it is just such a good idea.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Statistically if someone has to actually SERVE 30+ years for serious violent crime they are extremely unlikely to commit another violent crime against the mostly law abiding populace during that 30 year period.

But we aren't talking about serious violent crime. We are talking about weapons possession laws. Like it or not evidence shows increasing sentences won't make a meaningful difference to crime rates, increasing the likelihood of getting caught will.

If we are going to put forward alternative suggestions as a community we might as well suggest somthing that actually works.

Originally Posted by Nick-D

If we are going to put forward alternative suggestions as a community we might as well suggest somthing that actually works.

How about death? Death works! It may not stop some prick doing a crime but it sure as shit stops them doing it again.