Thread: Hi tec stock failure

I dealt with Ken a few months ago. Dropped my rifle to him, and picked it up 5 days later, bedded and cheaper than he’d quoted. Couldn’t be easier. I reckon it’d take more than getting hung up on a branch to snap mine.


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Im thinking you fella with flashasmichaeljackson CF stocks should buy a couple of rolls on insulation tape and wrap those babies up good n proper...will stop any crap scratching them and give tiny bit of bump protection while adding next to no weight...silage tape is even better as its 4" wide and even thicker than insulation tape.

Its not a production fault otherwiese it would have manifested itself a long time ago and is 2 years or older so wear and tear comes into play. Wouldnt be surprised if the maker only had a 12 month warranty, coming on here and throwing a wobbly about shit service is pretty fucking childish when you dont have a leg to stand on.

There a lot of ass kissing going on here.
So it shouldn’t be covered under warranty? He says he’s only after a fair go...
I’d have done the same as him if what he says is in fact the truth as 2 years is fuck all.


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Originally Posted by Danny

There a lot of ass kissing going on here.
So it shouldn’t be covered under warranty? He says he’s only after a fair go...
I’d have done the same as him if what he says is in fact the truth as 2 years is fuck all.


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2 years warrantee for a rifle stock? don't think so - Try getting that from Beretta NZ for Sako carbon stocks, good luck with that. No different.

Have never seen in the sales blurb for any stock, let alone lightweight carbon ones:
"Rugged dependable lightweight carbon stock designed to handle being knocked about and tolerate adverse conditions and abuse by Kiwi hunters"

Originally Posted by 257weatherby

2 years warrantee for a rifle stock? don't think so - Try getting that from Beretta NZ for Sako carbon stocks, good luck with that. No different.

Have never seen in the sales blurb for any stock, let alone lightweight carbon ones:
"Rugged dependable lightweight carbon stock designed to handle being knocked about and tolerate adverse conditions and abuse by Kiwi hunters"

Just because it's the norm to get crap service in NZ doesn't mean it has to be that way.
I actually had a warranty claim done by Beretta outside of the 2 year warranty period as the failure was not something anyone would reasonable expect from a 26 month old rifle.

It seems a shame this situation has come to this, without knowing all the details I can't help but feel this issue could've been handled better by all parties.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

Just because it's the norm to get crap service in NZ doesn't mean it has to be that way.
I actually had a warranty claim done by Beretta outside of the 2 year warranty period as the failure was not something anyone would reasonable expect from a 26 month old rifle.

It seems a shame this situation has come to this, without knowing all the details I can't help but feel this issue could've been handled better by all parties.

Yes but to play devil's I don't expect any party to be polite or gracious to anyone that's rude etc. Yes maybe offering a repair would have been good but as a good friend always says the only response when you start a conversation with fuck you is fuck you meaning if you start a discussion with blame etc then it's never going to go down well especially when you can't prove it.

Also a rifle stock is a high wear item that could literally be broken day one without any manufacturing fault in a accident. Mine get a hiding if I broke one it'd suck for sure but would a post a hit peice on a online forum (potentially after threatening to do so) no bloody way.

Hell I broke my very spendy brand new carbon walking pole day one slipping with it in a gap between two boulders. That's not a warranty claim that's an accident.

It's a small kiwi business not some massive corporate like Vortex that just over prices the shit out of everything to cover the 5% or whatever return rate.

Yeah well, one thing I've learned from this thread is I won't be buying an expensive carbon fiber stock no matter which brand.......ever!

Originally Posted by Hermitage

Yeah well, one thing I've learned from this thread is I won't be buying an expensive carbon fiber stock no matter which brand.......ever!

Kinda put off by this too, was considering one of these 'external carbon' stocks where the weave is visible but very discouraged now.

Yeah I wouldn’t own one. One because I know how fragile carbon is
2 because a heavy rifle suits me better
3 they are outrageously expensive

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Yeah I wouldn’t own one. One because I know how fragile carbon is
2 because a heavy rifle suits me better
3 they are outrageously expensive

Not all are made equal, some 'carbon' stocks have a carbon frame underneath and have an outer of hard resin/epoxy. I have had three stocks like this made by PSE composites of Ireland and they were great in terms of both product and aftercare (all of mine were bought used, and the one which I sold on after a full repair had been seriously mucked up by the previous owner).

Technically, wood is 50% carbon so you can heat up your wood stock a bit to make it 100% carbon.

Originally Posted by caberslash

Not all are made equal, some 'carbon' stocks have a carbon frame underneath and have an outer of hard resin/epoxy. I have had three stocks like this made by PSE composites of Ireland and they were great in terms of both product and aftercare (all of mine were bought used, and the one which I sold on after a full repair had been seriously mucked up by the previous owner).

Technically, wood is 50% carbon so you can heat up your wood stock a bit to make it 100% carbon.

Kimber's ones seem like you could use them as a club if needed
Iv got some damage to the forend on one of mine and it just seems to have chipped on a rock or similar when the previous owner had it
Just took a chunk out.
It must help having an outside coating and fill inside to prevent the carbon weave taking damage
Both make the stock heavier tho and clearcoat when you can see the carbon underneath looks fantastic
Everything is a compromise

Originally Posted by Bill999

Kimber's ones seem like you could use them as a club if needed
Iv got some damage to the forend on one of mine and it just seems to have chipped on a rock or similar when the previous owner had it
Just took a chunk out.
It must help having an outside coating and fill inside to prevent the carbon weave taking damage
Both make the stock heavier tho and clearcoat when you can see the carbon underneath looks fantastic
Everything is a compromise

They are also quite heavy. You will find even a tiny kimber stock weighs 100 grams or more more than alot of ultralight carbon stocks.

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Yeah I wouldn’t own one. One because I know how fragile carbon is
2 because a heavy rifle suits me better
3 they are outrageously expensive

Ultra thin high modulus graphite fishing rods are certainly fragile. But many other carbon fibre structures are remarkably robust. Aerospace components, race car parts, bicycle frames, and a swag of other sporting goods make heavy use of carbon fibre because of its outstanding strength to weight ratio. So it was only natural that it would find its way into rifle stock applications. It’s a material that has a lot of strength along the length of the fibre, which is why designers align the fibre in the direction of greatest stress. However it doesn’t have as much strength across the fibre, so a point load at a 90 degree angle to the direction of strength can make for a bad day...

I personally think it’s the best material for a lightweight stock, provided you don’t go arse over tit in a stream and land on your rifle. And to be fair, that sort of incident can snap most stocks made from other materials

One carbon stock breaks and people swear off them. Ive known plenty of wooden stocks to break through the pistol grip. Im very happy with my carbon stocks. They are stable and light.