Thread: Holdover Reticles

What range are you shooting. If it's only to 300m just buy a 270 and aim at what you want to hit.

I use hold over, I have a load that is works with my B&C reticle
aim at it from 0-200m, next line down if its 300, 350 next line down and past that........................get closer

I practice a bit with it on gongs occasionally on Sunday mornings eh @Pengy. Works OK.

Originally Posted by mikee

I use hold over, I have a load that is works with my B&C reticle
aim at it from 0-200m, next line down if its 300, 350 next line down and past that........................get closer

I practice a bit with it on gongs occasionally on Sunday mornings eh @Pengy. Works OK.

I only hear the gong strike so all good

Am I the only 1 that’s ever wondered why no one makes an FFP holder over scope?? Seems like it would be a good hunting option if you don’t want to dial….

Originally Posted by John P

Am I the only 1 that’s ever wondered why no one makes an FFP holder over scope?? Seems like it would be a good hunting option if you don’t want to dial….

This is a good question. Can it be done? Seems from what I've read that all the holdover reticle scopes need to be on a certain power to work correctly.

The Arken EPL scopes are a lightweight FFP holdover reticle scope

Originally Posted by John P

Am I the only 1 that’s ever wondered why no one makes an FFP holder over scope?? Seems like it would be a good hunting option if you don’t want to dial….

What would you change in them?

Every ffp scope ive ever seen has a .assive Christmas tree of holdover options all over it.

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[QUOTE=199p;1570891]What would you change in them?

Every ffp scope ive ever seen has a .assive Christmas tree of holdover options all over it.

I was thinking something FFP with capped turrets and a basic crosshair with holdovers. No messing with dials or wondering if you’re on the correct zoom.

To avoid disappointment if you do go hold over work it all out using the ap before you buy. Then only buy if the hash marks aline close to the required ranges for the load/ammo you intend using.

Tract Torric scopes have a very good ballistic reticle and can be dialled as well. I fiddled with their ap and for my 300saum load when sighted in for 212 yards the hash marks aligned right through in rounded 50yd (250, 300 etc) increments to the max range of the ret (500 yds I think). So I went ahead and got the scope with the ballistic ret. The best of both worlds. In a hurry I can use the ret (restricted to the max 15 power), or when I want I dial. Works great.

But if I run the numbers for a .223 the ret is a disaster.

Originally Posted by 199p

What would you change in them?

Every ffp scope ive ever seen has a .assive Christmas tree of holdover options all over it.

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The problem with FFP scopes for hunting is they almost always are to thin to be usable at lower magnification.
While they are usually great for holdovers and for dynamic target shooting, they almost always suck on low magnification or in darker settings (bush etc).

10 years ago their used to be alot better options for hunting FFP reticles but for the most part they are all now thin Christmas tree type.

March still has some decent hunting ones, as does Burris in the Veracity scopes, and the Leupold TMR isn't too bad.

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Originally Posted by 199p

What would you change in them?

Every ffp scope ive ever seen has a .assive Christmas tree of holdover options all over it.

I was thinking something FFP with capped turrets and a basic crosshair with holdovers. No messing with dials or wondering if you’re on the correct zoom.

The Burris Veracity scopes are more or less this, I think you can cap the elevation turret.

Depending on rifle/scope combination I dial elevation in any strong wind so I'm only holding for wind.
If I'm in a rush and under 300m will use hold over.
Really like FFP the reticle holds true in at any magnification. In the last year just started using a Mil FFP scope and been using Accuracy First Speed Drop system ( there's a few videos on the net ) and the Mil reticle matchs the
distance from a set minimum and maximum distance with a .2 Mil accuracy threshold. On my 223 and scope I'm good for 200m to 500m using this system.

eg.
2 Mil = 200m
3 Mil = 300m
5 Mil = 500m
2.5 Mil =250m
3.1 Mil =310m

And have shot a lot of goats and a couple of deer with this system.

Originally Posted by John P

Am I the only 1 that’s ever wondered why no one makes an FFP holder over scope?? Seems like it would be a good hunting option if you don’t want to dial….

Fixed power...there problem solved

I use a dial scope and a couple of hold over scopes. One holdover is a burris plex reticle on a .223, it works well enough out to 250 which is the furthest I have used it, basically only use it on 9x and have worked out where the projectile crosses the hash marks, in between these distances, just sort of hold in between, but don't try anything too precision. At distances where 3x or 4x are what I am using, the drop is irrelevant.

The other holdover is a CDS TriMOA on a 17hmr, again just use it on 12x and can count down the hash marks for MOA holdover. I hardly ever dial this one but more because I usually keep it inside distances where I only have to count down 2-3 hashmarks maximum.

The Dial scope is great for subsonics and long stuff, I just have a little chart on the side of the scope, underneath some clear sellotape, with distances and dial numbers for the two different loads.

My conclusions:
Dial is great but not fool proof, BDC is good but also not fool proof.

Dial is more accurate but takes a bit longer to use. Great for sitting on the side of a hill and shooting at animals that don't know you are there. Or for swapping between different loads.

BDC is a blunter instrument, but it doesn't slow you down as much. Takes a bit more practice to get it useful, but it is then useful.

Ultimately personal preference probably has more to do with it than anything else.

Greetings All,
Hold over or dial? You can actually have both as some above have suggested. Hold over scopes can be dialled as long as the adjustments are not capped. Fixed power (thanks @Micky Duck) or FFP scopes make things easier as they do not have to be set on one power for the reticle to be useful. The reticle can also be used as a rough rangefinder to tell us when the real rangefinder is needed. I think @longshot above has summed it up well although I would prefer a mil based reticle rather than MoA. Either would be preferable to a scope that pretends to show actual ranges.
Regards Grandpamac.