Thread: How do crims get their firearms, Mr Cahill?

Thanks for taking the time to respond Mintie...great stuff

The criminal element in our society have been illegally importing firearms into this country with a great deal of success for decades.

I got offered a new hand gun when I was at school after a gangmembers son tried picking a fight with me and I beat him up

The blatant lying is ridiculous. "M3 machine pistol cleaning kit", and they show o rings that you can buy at bunnings. And here I was thinking that Stuff calling semi auto rifles "high powered assault weapons" was bad. Those authoritarians just keep getting more and more desperate.

Its basically up to us to educate the public as the "experts" obviously dont know much. Always wondered how an open day would go at some of the ranges every now and then where joe public can handle and ask their own questions about firearms, under supervision of course

Originally Posted by striker

https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/s...and-our-ports/

holy guacamole, batman! That's a good (but disturbing) read. Old-fashioned investigative journalism. Our systems rely on high-trust behaviour, but we are quickly becoming a low-trust society.

Looks like the 55yr old had a firearms licence.

Fairly normal lot of firearms there.I SUSPECT that's more a case of someone who was legit user also getting into cash cropping.rather than criminal obtaining guns for naughty purpose.....I mean none of those are sawn off or shortened for concealment. Either way it looks like good catch by police,two less drug growers,dealers on the streets

Response from the Herald.

Hi Evan,
The NZ Herald strongly rejects this complaint.
This news story was based on a New Zealand Customs intelligence report and involved input from two of the most experienced law enforcement officials in New Zealand. Both Bruce Berry and Superintendent Greg Williams have each worked in their respective roles for more than 40 years.
Here is our response to the individual points you have raised.
With regards to the report’s focus on the o ring sealing kit:
The o rings came together with a metal cleaning rod as mentioned in the story. The New Zealand Customs Service now has a police armorer working at the New Zealand border to assist staff in flagging suspect gun parts. The police armorer assisted in these items being flagged and seized. We reported on this fact. The o rings were merely one part of the kit seized by the police/customs experts who are working at the border.
With regards to your complaint about the ability to convert air soft / pellet guns:
There is ample evidence from all over the world of air soft/pellet guns and blank firing guns being converted into functioning firearms that shoot bullets. In any case, we are again reporting on the actions of our experts at the border.
With regards to your complaint about the report’s coverage of blank firing guns:
Police in the UK now report more people are killed by converted blank firing guns than actual firearms.
Converted handguns fired more than 'real' weapons in UK crimes (bbc.com)
With regards to the complaint about the report’s coverage of gel blasters:
Gel blasters have been banned in most of Australia as police are concerned about how similar they are to real firearms and say replicas “can be converted.” It would be remiss of the Herald not to report the view of law enforcement officers, who are increasingly finding converted firearms.
In summary, the Herald rejects this complaint. The report was not inflammatory or scaremongering but based on the expert opinions of New Zealand law enforcement officials. The story was about the action being taken at our border and about the customs intelligence report and was not a story about whether that intelligence was right or wrong.

On behalf of,

Murray Kirkness

The scary "M3 machine pistol cleaning kit" they are refferring to is exactly as I said, a PCP air rifle seal kit for a FX M3 impact as GC sells. https://www.guncity.com/fximpact-m3-repair-kit-398450

Originally Posted by Mintie

Response from the Herald.

Hi Evan,
The NZ Herald strongly rejects this complaint.
This news story was based on a New Zealand Customs intelligence report and involved input from two of the most experienced law enforcement officials in New Zealand. Both Bruce Berry and Superintendent Greg Williams have each worked in their respective roles for more than 40 years.
Here is our response to the individual points you have raised.
With regards to the report’s focus on the o ring sealing kit:
The o rings came together with a metal cleaning rod as mentioned in the story. The New Zealand Customs Service now has a police armorer working at the New Zealand border to assist staff in flagging suspect gun parts. The police armorer assisted in these items being flagged and seized. We reported on this fact. The o rings were merely one part of the kit seized by the police/customs experts who are working at the border.
With regards to your complaint about the ability to convert air soft / pellet guns:
There is ample evidence from all over the world of air soft/pellet guns and blank firing guns being converted into functioning firearms that shoot bullets. In any case, we are again reporting on the actions of our experts at the border.
With regards to your complaint about the report’s coverage of blank firing guns:
Police in the UK now report more people are killed by converted blank firing guns than actual firearms.
Converted handguns fired more than 'real' weapons in UK crimes (bbc.com)
With regards to the complaint about the report’s coverage of gel blasters:
Gel blasters have been banned in most of Australia as police are concerned about how similar they are to real firearms and say replicas “can be converted.” It would be remiss of the Herald not to report the view of law enforcement officers, who are increasingly finding converted firearms.
In summary, the Herald rejects this complaint. The report was not inflammatory or scaremongering but based on the expert opinions of New Zealand law enforcement officials. The story was about the action being taken at our border and about the customs intelligence report and was not a story about whether that intelligence was right or wrong.

On behalf of,

Murray Kirkness

Some mighty fine buck-passing there!

“ The story was about the action being taken at our border and about the customs intelligence report and was not a story about whether that intelligence was right or wrong.”
So responsible journalism no longer requires any effort on the part of the journo or publication to verify the accuracy or truthfulness of the info supplied to them?!?! WTF ?!

You really expected effort from the story tellers?

Didnt the last seven years teach you anything about the poor nature of journalism and owned media in this country.

all comes down to believe the rozzers experts (didn't they help with the schmozzle of the great confiscation sorry,,,buyback). over anyone else?
remember we were all a bunch of minority gun loving fanatics and as such we were excluded when all the bollocks started