Thread: How do crims get their firearms, Mr Cahill?

Well I have now laid an official complaint through to the media council outlining the principals that I feel have been broken. No idea if the council are anti gun or not but at least I have pointed out the errors and hopefully they have to swallow their pride and print an apology for getting it wrong. So long as the Media Council allow the complaint and don't just kick it to the curb then it will be published on their website anyway so at least there will be record of customs being called out for their incompetency.

The article is not factually correct as I have pointed out in my complaint.

The "machine gun kit" they show in the video (along with video inserts of a machine gun firing) is just a seal kit for an airgun that does not require a permit or even a firearm's license, the whole kit can be seen here to confirm it is the one in the video - https://www.guncity.com/fximpact-m3-repair-kit-398450. To misrepresent a part for an airgun as a machine gun part that poses grave danger to NZ is inflammatory and not "material fact".

The claim that Gel blasters, airsoft and blank firing guns are easily converted into firearms that fire real ammunition is also not backed by any facts and I cant find any real evidence that this has ever happened in NZ, in reality this process is more likely to be the same effort as creating a firearm from scratch - This is the opinion of NZ based gunsmiths which shows the article is not accurate, fair or balanced.

The Herald has not investigated why the police backed the changes to the law in 2019 that made it easier for blank firearms to be sold in NZ without the need for theatrical licenses at all - This shows the article is not fair and balanced.

Good on ya Mintie.

Brilliant work Mintie. May I never unintentionally piss you off haha

Originally Posted by Mintie

Well I have now laid an official complaint through to the media council outlining the principals that I feel have been broken. No idea if the council are anti gun or not but at least I have pointed out the errors and hopefully they have to swallow their pride and print an apology for getting it wrong. So long as the Media Council allow the complaint and don't just kick it to the curb then it will be published on their website anyway so at least there will be record of customs being called out for their incompetency.

The article is not factually correct as I have pointed out in my complaint.

The "machine gun kit" they show in the video (along with video inserts of a machine gun firing) is just a seal kit for an airgun that does not require a permit or even a firearm's license, the whole kit can be seen here to confirm it is the one in the video - https://www.guncity.com/fximpact-m3-repair-kit-398450. To misrepresent a part for an airgun as a machine gun part that poses grave danger to NZ is inflammatory and not "material fact".

The claim that Gel blasters, airsoft and blank firing guns are easily converted into firearms that fire real ammunition is also not backed by any facts and I cant find any real evidence that this has ever happened in NZ, in reality this process is more likely to be the same effort as creating a firearm from scratch - This is the opinion of NZ based gunsmiths which shows the article is not accurate, fair or balanced.

The Herald has not investigated why the police backed the changes to the law in 2019 that made it easier for blank firearms to be sold in NZ without the need for theatrical licenses at all - This shows the article is not fair and balanced.

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Unfortunately blank Firing pistols can be converted to live firing , you have not asked the right people . They tend to use lower power rounds like the 380 &32acp and don't last long depending on construction , of the conversion and firearm . Reasons can be access , cost , ability to track and an ability to intimidate coupled with a throw away mindset .

Originally Posted by Tankd

Unfortunately blank Firing pistols can be converted to live firing , you have not asked the right people . They tend to use lower power rounds like the 380 &32acp and don't last long depending on construction , of the conversion and firearm . Reasons can be access , cost , ability to track and an ability to intimidate coupled with a throw away mindset .

Airsoft guns? No, Gel Blasters? Certainly not, but yes some blank guns maybe but certainly not "easily" like they claim. You would need to find a barrel and machine it up to fit properly and then the rest of the gun might hold up to a couple of shots before it blows up in the users hands.

There is far more risk on the front line from home made guns like the old shotgun tube and nail, or even Antonie Dixons home made sub machine gun than any airgun converted like they are claiming.

The way the police and government are trying to solve gun crime in NZ is exactly like a doctor repeatedly treating the symptoms of a self harm patient with sticky plasters, they are not looking for the root cause and unless they start to figure that out they will get nowhere and wont keep anyone safer.

You live in some sort of weird reality?, there is the usual hyperbole but the fact remains that world wide there are conversions going on . A simple google search will confirm it , but obviously you're to lazy .But if you want to , check out the UK situation .
There are none so blind than those who don't wish to see.

Originally Posted by Tankd

You live in some sort of weird reality?, there is the usual hyperbole but the fact remains that world wide there are conversions going on . A simple google search will confirm it , but obviously you're to lazy .But if you want to , check out the UK situation .
There are none so blind than those who don't wish to see.

The UK blank firing conversions wouldn't happen to be Makarovs would they?
Either way a Lutz or FGC9 would be easier to make than a gel blaster or airsoft conversion, heck a nerf gun conversion could be interesting

We get this crap all the time too.
At the end of the day, public servants are lieing to the public.

Originally Posted by Mintie

Response from the Herald.

Hi Evan,
The NZ Herald strongly rejects this complaint.
This news story was based on a New Zealand Customs intelligence report and involved input from two of the most experienced law enforcement officials in New Zealand. Both Bruce Berry and Superintendent Greg Williams have each worked in their respective roles for more than 40 years.
Here is our response to the individual points you have raised.
With regards to the report’s focus on the o ring sealing kit:
The o rings came together with a metal cleaning rod as mentioned in the story. The New Zealand Customs Service now has a police armorer working at the New Zealand border to assist staff in flagging suspect gun parts. The police armorer assisted in these items being flagged and seized. We reported on this fact. The o rings were merely one part of the kit seized by the police/customs experts who are working at the border.
With regards to your complaint about the ability to convert air soft / pellet guns:
There is ample evidence from all over the world of air soft/pellet guns and blank firing guns being converted into functioning firearms that shoot bullets. In any case, we are again reporting on the actions of our experts at the border.
With regards to your complaint about the report’s coverage of blank firing guns:
Police in the UK now report more people are killed by converted blank firing guns than actual firearms.
Converted handguns fired more than 'real' weapons in UK crimes (bbc.com)
With regards to the complaint about the report’s coverage of gel blasters:
Gel blasters have been banned in most of Australia as police are concerned about how similar they are to real firearms and say replicas “can be converted.” It would be remiss of the Herald not to report the view of law enforcement officers, who are increasingly finding converted firearms.
In summary, the Herald rejects this complaint. The report was not inflammatory or scaremongering but based on the expert opinions of New Zealand law enforcement officials. The story was about the action being taken at our border and about the customs intelligence report and was not a story about whether that intelligence was right or wrong.

On behalf of,

Murray Kirkness

You can’t beat dumb

Originally Posted by Mintie

Airsoft guns? No, Gel Blasters? Certainly not, but yes some blank guns maybe but certainly not "easily" like they claim. You would need to find a barrel and machine it up to fit properly and then the rest of the gun might hold up to a couple of shots before it blows up in the users hands.

There is far more risk on the front line from home made guns like the old shotgun tube and nail, or even Antonie Dixons home made sub machine gun than any airgun converted like they are claiming.

The way the police and government are trying to solve gun crime in NZ is exactly like a doctor repeatedly treating the symptoms of a self harm patient with sticky plasters, they are not looking for the root cause and unless they start to figure that out they will get nowhere and wont keep anyone safer.

Why would you stuff around converting an existing toy firearm, when you can knock one out on a CNC and mill FFS

or 3d print one

Originally Posted by Maca49

You can’t beat dumb

They are captured

Bet their shit is blue