Thread: How to get rid of an old stock?

Originally Posted by stug

Doubt it, you can surrender any firearm or parts to the police that you want.

This clause says that destruction of any firearm part needs to be reported to the Police. https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...LMS368602.html

If you don’t want a firearm anymore you are perfectly entitle to take it to the Police and surrender it. Now that stocks are legally firearms parts the same thing will apply.

Not any part. Only actual firearms and restricted parts/mags etc
A stock is a lump of wood

part, in relation to any firearm or restricted weapon,—
(a)

means—
(i)

any component that, of itself, is essential to the discharge of any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile from the firearm or restricted weapon; and
(ii)

any component that is exclusively designed to be, or is intended to be, an integral part of the firearm or restricted weapon (for example, a butt, stock, magazine, or other component that feeds or contributes to feeding ammunition to the firearm or restricted weapon);

A reasonable person would likely interpret that as being the Howa standard stock does not fit within that definition of the police gobbledygook description. The magazine portion is part of the action (internal mag) or separate part (external / removeable mag)

Besides, you can always just screw a Broom handle, paint it black and stick a tube on top and it becomes a toy ......

This sort of stupidity comes when you let people who do NOT know what they are talking about write laws these about things

Originally Posted by YosemiteSam

I've got a couple of those 'stock' stocks you get when you buy a rifle and then want to ditch ASAP. A Howa and a Remington, both bendy plastic things. Since I can't even give them away without police paperwork, I'm guessing dumping them at the tip is not OK. Do I need to cut them in half or something?

Fuck, are you for real? Just give them away or dump them. I’m too old and cynical for this new age bullshit.

Looks like you've already got it sorted, but for others in the future who come here looking for an answer to a similar question: you only need a permit to send firearms parts where you aren't doing a face to face interaction with the person receiving the firearm part, so just throw them up as a free face to face only thing in Dunedin. That or see if Elios'/your local gun store wants them.

@timattalon the interpretation of “part” from the legislation

part, in relation to any firearm or restricted weapon,—
(a)
means—
(i)
any component that, of itself, is essential to the discharge of any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile from the firearm or restricted weapon; and
(ii)
any component that is exclusively designed to be, or is intended to be, an integral part of the firearm or restricted weapon (for example, a butt, stock, magazine, or other component that feeds or contributes to feeding ammunition to the firearm or restricted weapon); and

It specifically mentions stock as a part.

Originally Posted by stug

Doubt it, you can surrender any firearm or parts to the police that you want.

This clause says that destruction of any firearm part needs to be reported to the Police. https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...LMS368602.html

If you don’t want a firearm anymore you are perfectly entitle to take it to the Police and surrender it. Now that stocks are legally firearms parts the same thing will apply.

ooooh goody..that box of bolts in garage that fit into firearm...all the paperwork they shall be filling out henceforthwith..... yeah nah not worth the hassle.

It specifically mentions stock that feeds or contributes to the feeding of the ammunition. Thus if the stock does not contribute to the feeding then by their wording it is not a part.

As mentioned, the Howa stock does not contribute to the feeding of the ammunition as the magazine itself is separate to the stock and bolts to the action becoming part of the action and not part of the stock. Again, I suspect this is poorly written shit legislation put in place by someone who does not know enough about what they are talking about and is meant to confuse those of us who do have an understanding of how these things work.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by stug

@timattalon the interpretation of “part” from the legislation

part, in relation to any firearm or restricted weapon,—
(a)
means—
(i)
any component that, of itself, is essential to the discharge of any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile from the firearm or restricted weapon; and
(ii)
any component that is exclusively designed to be, or is intended to be, an integral part of the firearm or restricted weapon (for example, a butt, stock, magazine, or other component that feeds or contributes to feeding ammunition to the firearm or restricted weapon); and

It specifically mentions stock as a part.

@ Stug It specifically mentions stock that feeds or contributes to the feeding of the ammunition. Thus if the stock does not contribute to the feeding then by their wording it is not a part. The use of the word 'That' in the sentence makes the following part of the sentence a condition.

As mentioned, the Howa stock does not contribute to the feeding of the ammunition as the magazine itself is separate to the stock and bolts to the action becoming part of the action and not part of the stock. Again, I suspect this is poorly written shit legislation put in place by someone who does not know enough about what they are talking about and is meant to confuse those of us who do have an understanding of how these things work.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by timattalon

It specifically mentions stock that feeds or contributes to the feeding of the ammunition. Thus if the stock does not contribute to the feeding then by their wording it is not a part.

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No, it says stock, or other component that feeds...

Sorry @timattalon as Cigar has pointed out you have missed the word “or”.

shite this is getting plain old silly..... a piece of wood CAN BE MADE into a gun stock.... so is it now a firearm part???
a cow has a hide,that can be made into leather,that can be made into a sling to carry said gun...so are cows now firearm parts????
where does it end????
oh and willow trees can be cut down,cut up,cooked into charcoal,ground up and made into gunpowder...so are willow trees now a firearm propulsion part????

it might be grammatically correct to the letter of the law but it is still shite.

No, it says stock, or other component that feeds...[/QUOTE]
@Cigar @stug

No I didn't. It states " that feeds or contributes to feeding ammunition" If a stock does not contribute to feeding (Shotgun fore wood or butt for example) then it is not considered a part. IF it does contribute towards or is part of the feeding mechanisim then it does. The Howa stock contains the feeding mechanisim but does in no way or shape "contribute " towards the operation of the feed. In the Howas case if the stock was fitted to the action but the magazine well is not- will it feed still? No it wont.

My main point is that the law is so badly written that there are multiple ways to read it and the misunderstanding of a single small word can alter the clarity of the law.
At the end of the day the permit would only be needed for mail order and if in doubt- then pick up with a visual license check would be completely above board....

Just think, if we cannot all read it and take away the same meaning and understanding of what is written, when it is right in front of all of us- how in hells name can they expect people to obey it when it is so poorly written?

You are wrong Tim, Gunworks requires a police mail order form for stocks, they aren’t going to do that unless the law says so.

https://gunworks.co.nz/shop/category/stocks

You also need to read the wording at the start of that section “any component that is exclusively designed to be, or is intended to be, an integral part of the firearm or restricted weapon”. It doesn’t state the part has to assist with feeding the rifle. Also look at the other parts listed below
includes the following components or accessories that can be fitted to, or adapted to fit, a firearm or restricted weapon:
(i)
grips:
(ii)
frames:
(iii)
chassis systems:
(iv)
magazine adapters:
(v)
magazine couplers:
(vi)
magazine loaders:
(vii)
flash suppressors:
(viii)
silencers:
(ix)

Most of those don’t help with feeding.

The thing is to drown the cop shop with mail order forms to force common sense...dont be burning stocks