Thread: How to get your rifle to shoot less than MOA

Depends what you are shooting for. To be a paper punching champion or drop an animal on the spot. A 1" group is good enough for me in the bush.

I was sighting in a new rifle and getting in acceptable results. Asked a mate if he wanted a shot. I couldn't see where his first shot went but he was laughing. He had headsot a bird off to the side

Originally Posted by Steveh054

As above.. Today I had very little to do so I took my recently bedded .270 BSA Majestic with Truflite Premium Barrel fitted by Gunworks to a trued action, never took my camera but the results were astounding!!! First I fired a 3 shot group which measured 1" and I thought "fuck that's piss poor" but after seeing on one these threads on the forum recently of a 1/4" sporting rifle, I thought I would have a go at matching that, so I fired 3 one shot groups and fuckme they were all under 1/4" and that is how you shoot 1/4" with a sporting rifle. So all you Guys that are getting 1/4" and less 3 shot groups consistently with your sporter barrel and 3-9 x 40 Nikko scope I say..........."FUCKING BULLSHIT" you are. That is benchrest accuracy!! and the majority of shooters cannot even get close to that kind of accuracy shooting off the bonnet of the truck or a rolled up shirt on the ground, so get real ya bullshittin' pricks.
I now await the flack from the bullshit brigade
Today I am bored

So you re saying because you cant others can,t as well ? Ha ha I know you re trying to start a fight but I know a couple who can consistently cos I ve seen it he he ..

Midgets that tight on wasting paper he usually uses the same hole three times... Don't let him round your girlfriend before she can say Im not that kind girl she will be ...he he ..

Originally Posted by Happy

So you re saying because you cant others can,t as well ? Ha ha I know you re trying to start a fight but I know a couple who can consistently cos I ve seen it he he ..

Midgets that tight on wasting paper he usually uses the same hole three times... Don't let him round your girlfriend before she can say Im not that kind girl she will be ...he he ..

No I'm not saying I can't do it nor am I saying I can, however I know I cannot do it consistently day after day ( and I shoot almost everyday) even if my Rifle is capable of doing 1/4" groups I can't always achieve it. What gets to me is the hype and bullshit about groups, but fuck it I doubt there is anyone on here that can shoot consistent 1/4 or even 1/2" groups consistently....one small group does not make a 1/4" shooter, however 20 -25x 1/4" inch groups with a benchrest rifle proves it to be a 1/4" rifle
if ya get what I'm saying. Gimp has made some spot on points to this thread already and even if he is only shit stirring ( which I believe he has done on more than one occaission) he is totally correct. I suspect if you are shooting 1/4" groups with your sporter then your measuring device is fucked and needs replacing

I personally think a 5 shot sub moa group is needless from a hunting rifle. I would also be very surprised, to see a dedicated hunting profiled barrel that could do 5 x 5 sub moa groups in a sitting as well.
You would expect it from a dedicated target rifle barrel maybe.
I reckon it would almost be a struggle to do 5 3 shot groups under an inch in one sitting, with a large rifle primed, centerfire.

I own one centerfire rifle, with several barrels. I am confident that as long as everything is done right, every one of those barrels can provide the accuracy required of it. I am the only weakness.
I get a buzz out of shooting little groups like anyone, but if you shoot enough your gunna have the odd doozy. Any muppet with good gear will eventually shoot a bughole when shooting paper.
Funny enough I still miss the odd deer. I missed a sitter a couple weeks ago, breaking an awesome run. I would happily shoot 2" groups for the rest of my life if I didnt miss anymore animals.

A much better test than any group, if you're interested in the practical accuracy of your rifle, is to go shoot single shots at single targets, breaking position between shots, to determine consistency of your shooting.

Originally Posted by gimp

A much better test than any group, if you're interested in the practical accuracy of your rifle, is to go shoot single shots at single targets, breaking position between shots, to determine consistency of your shooting.

Yes great way to test the shooter, not the rifle

Originally Posted by gimp

A much better test than any group, if you're interested in the practical accuracy of your rifle, is to go shoot single shots at single targets, breaking position between shots, to determine consistency of your shooting.

So lets say you get a new or second hand rifle whack a scope on it grap the cheapest(or most expensive) ammo in the shop and go shoot at a target of x size at x range- you cant hit it or only hit it occasionally. what now? is it the rifle, is it the ammo, is it you, is your scope out, is your velocity out, is your bc out?
Better go shoot some groups and sort it out

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So lets say you get a new or second hand rifle whack a scope on it grap the cheapest(or most expensive) ammo in the shop and go shoot at a target of x size at x range- you cant hit it or only hit it occasionally. what now? is it the rifle, is it the ammo, is it you, is your scope out, is your velocity out, is your bc out?
Better go shoot some groups and sort it out

then you haven't zerored properly

Originally Posted by gimp

then you haven't zerored properly

So you need to shoot a group to zero.

Simply: I don't care much about groups. For my purposes, beyond load development and zeroing, they don't tell me any information I need to know. Same for most hunters. So why do hunters insist on talking about their precision in groups measured to the third decimal place, but then refuse to spend 28 bucks to test it even remotely approaching properly, in a way that means they must be honest with themselves and others? Why is it even such a point of pride that it's bought up, and that people care about it? Groups aren't much use unless you're shooting in a competition, and if you are, you'd better be prepared to shoot enough of them to get a score. Why do we have people who are scared to fire a fourth shot "in case they ruin their group" ?? It's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by gimp

Simply: I don't care much about groups. For my purposes, beyond load development and zeroing, they don't tell me any information I need to know. Same for most hunters.

As above, I dont shoot groups for the sake of shooting groups, mostly its to zero or rezero if I already have a load I am happy with.

But groups give valuable information to the hunter, for instance if your butchered sporterised open sighted 303 will only shoot 10" groups at 100y then probably 75y is your max practicable range.

I don't fire a 4th shot because I'm a Jew when it comes to ammo

I've never shot a group, they just don't interest me.

I actually do get what your original thread on the topic was about, but your just being anal now

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I like the smack of my .17 exploding mynas way better than paper but need a little of both to test its going where pointed other than that I shoot badly at non reactive targets as they don't hold my pee brain attention very long at all. W e re all different eh !