Thread: How much does a 270Win suck in 2019?

The muzzle flash was something to behold in the late afternoon. I think it had a 16 inch barrel.

All the posts in this thread are in vein, 6.5 Creedmoor is all you need isn't it!

Originally Posted by Tentman

Curiosity got the better of me and I reinstalled Quickload. The 270 with loads based on 130 gn projectiles with "traditional powders" Win 760 and H4381 does indeed run at 12,000 psi at the muzzle (not much unburnt at 24"). At 22" the pressure is up to 13,500 and only 94% burnt. If you compare this with a "modern" tuned load of a 120 gn in something like 260 with N550, the muzzle pressure is 9500 psi with a 99% burn.

@Tentman So just to clarify, are you saying that less muzzle pressure gives lower recoil and muzzle blast than that of a load with the same speed but a higher muzzle pressure?

Less muzzle pressure won't lower recoil (can't , laws of physics wouldn't allow it) but it will reduce muzzle blast, which is a big part of a physiologically induced flinch (IMO)

Originally Posted by Tentman

Less muzzle pressure won't lower recoil (can't , laws of physics wouldn't allow it) but it will reduce muzzle blast, which is a big part of a physiologically induced flinch (IMO)

Thanks clears that up, I suppose less muzzle pressure will be easier on suppressor baffles as well (if you run one)

If the rifle in question isn't a piece of shit, then shooting it will generally be a positive experience regardless of the calibre.

Most modern factory rifles are way too light and unbalanced, with cruddy recoil pads.

If I was gonna go factory in .270 (or any other calibre) I'd pick up an older L-series Sako, a BSA, a Brno M21/VZ, an Orbendorf M98, a Sauer 202 or a Tikka LSA 55 (they've got very nice triggers). Something with a long barrel and a bit of heft.

Any one of those will easily last another few lifetimes with good use.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

The muzzle flash was something to behold in the late afternoon. I think it had a 16 inch barrel.

"Christine" is still probably doing the rounds terrifying shooters and reinforcing the legend of the 270

I really like my 24" barreled 270. I like that you can fit 5 rounds in the mag compared to 3 in most magnums.
I think it would be better if it was a 280AI... but for now the 270 shoots good and is easy to get factory ammo for.
I feel the 270 is a bit let down by the standard 1in10 twist rate and the lack of match bullets.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

First rifle I every owned was a 270Win Mk1 Ruger. Kicked like a mule, louder than hell and overall was a shit of a rifle. It sucked ass.

Roll on a few decades and I've been through a few shooters. Was thinking of taking a second look at the 270.
I'm after a fast shooting (i.e. no ear muffs or shagging around with brakes), flat shooting, hard hitter to 400m. Not too long or too heavy.
Is the current offerings in 270Win (or more to the point 0.277 bullets) good enough to keep up with the modern offerings?
On my last hunt a mate shooting 260Rem was faster, lighter and as (more) accurate with enough energy to sack what needed to be put down. I was quite jealous TBF.
Theres a pretty loyal 270 following so here whats your thoughts?

just get a 260

Better yet a 280

270s a awesome choice for NZ , providing one knows what he's doing....

but if your dick is small maybe a magnum is better

It seems the 270 is caught up between bad performance from poor ammo 40+years ago (CAC forestry ammo did them no favours supposedly) and now everyone thinking that 350 yards is close enough to chuck rocks and you've got to have a calibre that can slay them miles away.
I always thought of the 270 as quite adequate (never owned one but that's changing) out to 350m'ish on deer. If you wanted to hit things and make them stay hit out past that you needed a 7mm rem mag or bigger. Not many 300cal magnums in my areas back in the day.
In saying that I did know of a couple of 338wm's back then and they did have the punch to reach out and touch things a long way away.
a couple of friends now have 300wsm's and really like them for that reason. If its big or far away it doesn't matter.

Before range finders no one had a clue how far 350m was. Guestimates, especially in variable light and terrain and with no frame of reference are all over the place.

270 and its twin the 25-06 are the two overbore rounds in the 06 line up. You get a hint more noise and with the 270 a hint more recoil than you really need for the terminal performance. They both work just fine. They are 280s inbred cousins.

270 never got a bad reputation. It had a ridiculously good reputation it never deserved. The South Island can be very conformist and people mock each other in a competitive fashion as a matter of routine. 270 was the caliber your mates would not take the piss out of. A backlash was inevitable, especially on the internet where being a competitive beta male with a big ego gets you nowhere.

270 is as good as it ever was, just not as good as the legend. 280 and better mates solves its shortcomings.

Originally Posted by Tussock

270 never got a bad reputation. 270 was the caliber your mates would not take the piss out of.

@Tussock I agree with you and I also don't.
I always thought there was nothing wrong with it nor did several of my friends that shot them. I was always aware of the 3006 v 270 preference with several of my schoolmates and their dads.
BUT reading on this forum there are quite a few who had bad experiences with 270's and just don't like them hence my reference to the CAC and other bad ammo.
gundoc posted velocity figures for the NZFS ammo and it was pretty poor. If that's the case its no wonder people got the shits with it.

Nothing sucks about a 270 - but I can’t compare it with more modern options as I didn’t need one - I started with a 303 at 16 and quickly changed to a 30-06 for 4 years - I shot most animals in NZ with the 30-06 - then changed to a 270 when I thought I would be shooting chamois and tahr every year. I shot a lot of reds with the 270 and still use it when I hunt for reds. I was always scrawny - noise and recoil never bothered me while off-hand shooting - but I put 20 rounds through it on a range about a year ago and it nearly tore my shoulder off - the recoil pad on the Brno is stuffed and I have lost a lot of muscle mass - I used 130 grain Norma soft points for years and then changed to 130 grain Winchester silver tips - both had fantastic performance. I thought it was too fast on fallow so changed to a 243 with better results. I have seen a lot of animals go down with a 303, 30.06, 7*57, 308 and 270 - they didn’t give a rats arse about what hit them because they were all walking or falling dead!