Thread: It's called a carbine, not a bush pig.

It's part of the bull shit culture. Anyway, most so called "bush pigs" never go bush hunting their entire lives. It's a fad more than a necessity.

No one called a Model 7 with a 18/20" barrel a bush pig when they were introduced. We just said that they were handy light little rifles that didnt get hung up and bash trees so much. Most people ignored them all together and continued to get good tallies hunting in the trees with their 27" barrelled 303's. God knows how they did it.

The latest trend is to say or write "public land" as much and often as you can. Apparently that makes you a better hunter, and those who don't, less so.
It seems that hunting public land with a bush pig (or a "long range rig") can be a climactic event - especially if you shoot a deer from a "blind" and then do a "recovery" and butcher the animal using various gadgets from a "kill kit". FFS.

Im going to die as a bitter old man and be happy doing it.

Originally Posted by Tahr

It's part of the bull shit culture. Anyway, most so called "bush pigs" never go bush hunting their entire lives. It's a fad more than a necessity.

No one called a Model 7 with a 18/20" barrel a bush pig when they were introduced. We just said that they were handy light little rifles that didnt get hung up and bash trees so much. Most people ignored them all together and continued to get good tallies hunting in the trees with their 27" barrelled 303's. God knows how they did it.

The latest trend is to say or write "public land" as much and often as you can. Apparently that makes you a better hunter, and those who don't, less so.
It seems that hunting public land with a bush pig (or a "long range rig") can be a climactic event - especially if you shoot a deer from a "blind" and then do a "recovery" and butcher the animal using various gadgets from a "kill kit". FFS.

Im going to die as a bitter old man and be happy doing it.

You, sir, are a retrobate.

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

You, sir, are a retrobate.

I resemble that remark!

Originally Posted by Tahr

It's part of the bull shit culture. Anyway, most so called "bush pigs" never go bush hunting their entire lives. It's a fad more than a necessity.

No one called a Model 7 with a 18/20" barrel a bush pig when they were introduced. We just said that they were handy light little rifles that didnt get hung up and bash trees so much. Most people ignored them all together and continued to get good tallies hunting in the trees with their 27" barrelled 303's. God knows how they did it.

The latest trend is to say or write "public land" as much and often as you can. Apparently that makes you a better hunter, and those who don't, less so.
It seems that hunting public land with a bush pig (or a "long range rig") can be a climactic event - especially if you shoot a deer from a "blind" and then do a "recovery" and butcher the animal using various gadgets from a "kill kit". FFS.

Im going to die as a bitter old man and be happy doing it.

You forgot about the bit where you need to punch up through the scrub

I'm noticing a very very concerning trend here.
I'm thinking along the same lines and agreeing with you "more senior gentlemen".
What does that mean?


I'd also like to know what the term metrosexual means, and does it have a place in this conversation?
I heard it once at a lunch at a fancy vineyard on Waiheke. We were there with my wife's workmates (farm advisers of all things).
About all I took from the conversation was that I'm not a metrosexual.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I'm noticing a very very concerning trend here.
I'm thinking along the same lines and agreeing with you "more senior gentlemen".
What does that mean?


I'd also like to know what the term metrosexual means, and does it have a place in this conversation?
I heard it once at a lunch at a fancy vineyard on Waiheke. We were there with my wife's workmates (farm advisers of all things).
About all I took from the conversation was that I'm not a metrosexual.

Now you're going deep. I have a couple of mates, about half my age, both Auckland located, who I often refer to (and in their presence to their vast amusement) as "metrosexuals". They are both straight and happily married/partnered so nothing to do with gender diversity lol. It has more to do with them not just not owning e.g. a hammer, but not knowing such a thing exists. Others mileage may differ.

this has turned around but fun as many of these posts are so I think I may qualify as a retrobate sort-of - but my go to favourite rifle is old- a carbine 18 1/2 but made well before the term bush pig - so how do I lose the term retrobate - if any one tells me to go into guncity and buy a plastic Tikka in 6-5 creedmore cut it down suppressor and Z5 on it I do know what I am - a clone - no thanks - Benelli Lupo well maybe - but a nice piece of walnut for me - so I quess I will stay a retrobate and love it

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

this has turned around but fun as many of these posts are so I think I may qualify as a retrobate sort-of - but my go to favourite rifle is old- a carbine 18 1/2 but made well before the term bush pig - so how do I lose the term retrobate - if any one tells me to go into guncity and buy a plastic Tikka in 6-5 creedmore cut it down suppressor and Z5 on it I do know what I am - a clone - no thanks - Benelli Lupo well maybe - but a nice piece of walnut for me - so I quess I will stay a retrobate and love it

Reprobate. Check what it actually means

Originally Posted by akaroa1

Reprobate. Check what it actually means

yes I do know what it means - some of it sounds like fun- but John has coined a new word retrobate and has been kind enough to provide a definition - me well call me what you like - water of a ducks back -the only insult I wont accept is useless shot

A carbine is just a short rifle for cavalry. These were only useful for cartridge rifles from the mid 1800's. A short rifle for hunting is a Stutzen. These date from at least the middle 1700's. One I found was a 60 calibre flintlock with a 22 inch barrel. I might start calling my little Bergara single shot a Stutzen.
GPM.

I feel this thread has been greatly beneficial to the forum community. It has allowed the elders amongst us to vent a little about the changing cultures (was going to say "advancing" culture but we know thats not true).
John even came up with a new term! (with my assistance)
Tahr hit on a whole new culture (those blind shooters dont use "bushpigs" btw).
I was just advocating for the use of the term "bushpig" for the plastic/carbon stock, scoped, suppressed, shortened rifle that seems to be very kiwi piece of equipment now. When someone says "carbine" i immediately think of an old .303 jungle carbine, open sights and definitely no suppressor. These old rifles definitely do not come under the "bushpig" title. So you old fellas can definitely keep using "carbine" for all your old rifles.

I'm sure the term bushpig is used in about every nz hunting magazine for the last decade or so. It's standardized now. Sticks and stones right?

Bushpig is quite an acceptable term in certain situations, check out the "Bubba, what have you done thread?"

Originally Posted by No good names left

Bushpig is quite an acceptable term in certain situations, check out the "Bubba, what have you done thread?"

I'm quite proud of my work there. It's still going strong and it's well into the double digits of pages now

So where does Carbine Williams fit in to this, did he get the name from the gun, or the gun from him?