Thread: At least it's a nice colour green - NZDF choose AR to replace Steyrs

Originally Posted by Dead is better

Their new steyrs don't look too bad but apparently the triggers are just as bad as I remember. Hope the cocking handles don't snap off anymore

one of my mates cut his hand open when the cocking handle broke, bled like a stuck pig

I missed this if any wants vid of the new rifle,
not really a fan of stuff but



New $59 million weapons package begins Defence Force rollout | Stuff.co.nz

Some of the comments on that article are painful.

Wow an increase in range from 300-600 meters! Unfortunately although they may be trained to shoot a rifle, some soldiers have only the most basic concept of ballistics.

OK so an ACOG IS way better than the old 1.5 Steyr scope but it wont magically double the range of the round. even if combined with 77 grain projectiles. We shot the AUG out to 600 m a couple of times and they still made holes in the targets...

How come they're so expensive at 6.5 grand. Surely the army could get a better price than that.

the civilian price is 2 grand usa dollars. For a bare rifle.

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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Wow an increase in range from 300-600 meters! Unfortunately although they may be trained to shoot a rifle, some soldiers have only the most basic concept of ballistics.

You would be surprised what is taught at section level.

Most section commanders have been there and done that.
600 would be section fire capability. Not individual.

A lot of shooting comps within the Army start out to 500.

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Originally Posted by R93

You would be surprised what is taught at section level.

Most section commanders have been there and done that.
600 would be section fire capability. Not individual.

A lot of shooting comps within the Army start out to 500.

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Wasn't the army using front stuffers and black powder, when you and rushy were in ?

Originally Posted by R93

You would be surprised what is taught at section level.

Most section commanders have been there and done that.
600 would be section fire capability. Not individual.

A lot of shooting comps within the Army start out to 500.

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I would not be surprised what is taught at section level, probably has't changed much. I just learned to shut up and avoid being told to F**** off to OCS

Originally Posted by Beaker

Wasn't the army using front stuffers and black powder, when you and rushy were in ?

I have seen some BP stuff shot accurately past 600.

Rushy had his ID card and dog tags made of stone.

I was still serving this century😆

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

How come they're so expensive at 6.5 grand. Surely the army could get a better price than that.

the civilian price is 2 grand usa dollars. For a bare rifle.

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The cost is not for the bare rifle, there are lot of ancillary costs. Spare parts, optics, RMRs, magazines, training aids / material, cleaning kits, slings etc.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

I would not be surprised what is taught at section level, probably has't changed much. I just learned to shut up and avoid being told to F**** off to OCS

I must have been dumb coz I just got told to F off no where in particular 😆

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Originally Posted by R93

I must have been dumb coz I just got told to F off no where in particular ��

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Well I suspect by the way they said it that was what they relay meant

I remember one smart arse sergeant telling me OCS was not for me but "Obstinate C*** School" was To be honest I was surprised he knew the meaning of obstinate..

Originally Posted by Ryan

The cost is not for the bare rifle, there are lot of ancillary costs. Spare parts, optics, RMRs, magazines, training aids / material, cleaning kits, slings etc.

Fair enough. I thought it was 6.5 grand for the kitted rifle and not all the training etc that comes along with it.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

Fair enough. I thought it was 6.5 grand for the kitted rifle and not all the training etc that comes along with it.

I would think the "System" comes with a lot of parts and tools also.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

I would think the "System" comes with a lot of parts and tools also.

I'd also think armourers would need retraining too.
Most of the guys that knew/ had experience with SLR/AR gear retired long ago.
Steyr trained blokes will need to 'catch up' with the new weapons systems.
Spread the cost of this plus back up material as mentioned above and $6.5K per unit seems pretty reasonable, as the manufacturer recoups all his development, material and training costs in the first order.
Any later orders (assuming $6.5K/unit is still the buy price), is bulk profit.
Of course, the procurement boys would be aware of this - wouldn't they?
Bloody hope so, and a drop in price for later purchases.