Thread: At least it's a nice colour green - NZDF choose AR to replace Steyrs

I think people need to back the bus up a little . All that has happened is that Bullsh@t Castle has said is that "We liked playing with a rifle ".
There is nothing to say that they will get what they "want ". In the end they will accept what they are given and the Politicians will decide not the Mandarins of Bullsh@t Castle . The Aussies will be very unhappy of a different choice from them no matter what we think . Remember MonKey boy preferred a Softball game over a Funeral .

Originally Posted by Tankd

I think people need to back the bus up a little . All that has happened is that Bullsh@t Castle has said is that "We liked playing with a rifle ".
There is nothing to say that they will get what they "want ". In the end they will accept what they are given and the Politicians will decide not the Mandarins of Bullsh@t Castle . The Aussies will be very unhappy of a different choice from them no matter what we think . Remember MonKey boy preferred a Softball game over a Funeral .

I don't think the Aussies would care what rifle we had as long as it fires 5.56x45mm.

Originally Posted by von tempsky fan

why is it our SAS get issued better kit and weapons as in the Ar15 than our regulars? who have over the decades always had to either swap or steal better equipment from our allies in conflicts. Surely there wouldn't be that much difference in price?

We used to joke about their lack of a budget. I think their role dictates state of the art gear and having it up-gradable. They are also only around 100 strong so compared to equipping the rest of the Army I spose it is cheapish. They smash the budget in other areas.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Meh, things went downhill after these were upgraded.

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Flash bugger.

I had to yell "stick, stick".

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Originally Posted by Kscott

Meh, things went downhill after these were upgraded.

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Pfffft If you waited 20yrs they would have upgraded you to the one with the pointy end

Originally Posted by von tempsky fan

why is it our SAS get issued better kit and weapons as in the Ar15 than our regulars? who have over the decades always had to either swap or steal better equipment from our allies in conflicts. Surely there wouldn't be that much difference in price?

SAS get issued equipment in line with their international counterparts. Interoperability or something like that.

Originally Posted by Ryan

I don't think the Aussies would care what rifle we had as long as it fires 5.56x45mm.

Obviously you do not understand just how things work .This is as much a political decision as a millitary one

Originally Posted by Tankd

Obviously you do not understand just how things work .This is as much a political decision as a millitary one

Unfortunately I think it is you who does not fully understand how things work fully. There is no "conspiracys" involved. The current weapon is coming to the end of its life and there has been a trial and LMT is the winner. Job done. That's it.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Flash bugger.

I had to yell "stick, stick".

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No Koshogi you would be yelling HIT HIT HIT other wise it would be like yelling RIFLE RIFLE RIFLE (silly aye!) not BANG BANG BANG or BULLETS BULLETS BULLETS! NAH never had to do that

Bit of a pissed post, but, sas (as only being small force and also unique in what they do) should get what ever they need. And lets face it, the general person will not know the true cost for these people - and i dont think they need to. We dont live in a third world nation and the people that run the country arent that bad, so give them the benefit of trying to safe guard these guys that do things that the norm dont need to know about.
General force, army navy air etc., need to have a somewhat balanced approached to gear. That Hopefully doesnt sound too bad, and i do think the people on the pointy end need the best, but $ do come in at some point.
If there is any mention of back handers for deals, PROVE and expose.

And i dont think we spend enough on the military

Originally Posted by Beaker

And i dont think we spend enough on the military

+1

There are a lot of others areas that could do with more $ as well, just getting the extra $ is the hard part as every current govt expense would be hard or ill advised to reduce.
I'm actually surprised the current govt haven't come down harder on mil spending as they have been very hard on other departments,with mixed outcomes.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

No Koshogi you would be yelling HIT HIT HIT other wise it would be like yelling RIFLE RIFLE RIFLE (silly aye!) not BANG BANG BANG or BULLETS BULLETS BULLETS! NAH never had to do that

Imagine how section gunners felt, having to yell 3-5 round burst, 3-5 round burst and then getting mocked by your 2ic that you weren't yelling loud enough to keep the enemies heads down while the rest of your section did a flanking attack on their position 350m away in pouring rain and howling gale - Oh you gotta love budget cuts eh

illjust stick with the SLRgents .heavy yeah but if something got hit it stayed hit and also a 10 lb rifle makes a mighty fine bloody shin scraper! ore spine readjuster (oops did i say that) and i stillremebers me TF basic at burnham.very impressionable raw recruits see 4 grizzled RFsgts operating on a stumpwith SLRS. end of volley-our sgt "go have a look and t
ell me what you learned
Its a very powerful bullet sgt
No son ,the correct answer is soldiers dont hide behind bloody trees-thats why god gave ya feet to keep your arse off the ground moving and keep you alive so the army can teach you to shoot back!
had he not been in the military hed have made a topnotch stand up comedian.
The M16-most outstanding feat I saw was it used as a chainsaw to chop a tree in half. 1x30rd mag +1/2 a mag. the plt commander concerned actually had a rather memorable conversation with the CO over that stunt
i got out in 1991as the steyr was comin into general service and i was always told we got it because lithgow small arms in aussie tooled up to manufacture it etc etc and the anzac relationship.as a mere TF sgt I accepted the
"official line -it seemed the simplest option and really who knows how a bloody politicians mind works anyhow at the end of the day!

Originally Posted by res

+1

There are a lot of others areas that could do with more $ as well, just getting the extra $ is the hard part as every current govt expense would be hard or ill advised to reduce.
I'm actually surprised the current govt haven't come down harder on mil spending as they have been very hard on other departments,with mixed outcomes.

Forced to save $400 Million by this year and with the redunacy of 300+ soldiers, airman and sailers I would think that would consitute "coming down hard" on military spending. It is all relitive and if you don't see it then you may not realise how tight the purse strings really are.

Originally Posted by Shooter

Unfortunately I think it is you who does not fully understand how things work fully. There is no "conspiracys" involved. The current weapon is coming to the end of its life and there has been a trial and LMT is the winner. Job done. That's it.

Last time at the end on the Trials ,they said to the Government of the day "We want the Canadian C7/9 " . The Government said back "No you don't you want the Aussie Styer " and guess what we got ????.