Thread: At least it's a nice colour green - NZDF choose AR to replace Steyrs

Yes really , I donot care what you call it or the Army call it , its a belt fed full auto machine gun , a C9 in 7.62 or the MAG58 , I now which I would pick by a country mile , and its not the C9/Minimi , YES really .

I think he meant as in LIGHT machine gun .... cause the gpmg is a heavy hua ...

Originally Posted by ChrisF

Yes really , I donot care what you call it or the Army call it , its a belt fed full auto machine gun , a C9 in 7.62 or the MAG58 , I now which I would pick by a country mile , and its not the C9/Minimi , YES really .

Maybe try stomping or jumping with one?

But seriously. Unless you have experience with both platforms, what you would pick is a bit like........





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"I think buying the LSW in 7.62mm was stupid , if you want a 7.62mm LMG , buy a real one , like the GPMG/MAG58" FAAAA you must be big. Section maneuvers with an FN-MAG is not fun, 11.79 kg vs 8.17 kg for the 7.62 minimi. No question for SFMG role or off a vehicle I want the MAG but otherwise...

Other considerations of an LMG/LSW is its role. The C9 can be mag fed with any AR type magazine. Very handy if you run out or cannot access your supply of link, when in the shit. The Belgian GPMG is a great bit of kit but its weight and cyclic rate suit DFSW, static and co-ax applications. (There are Para and lighter versions used by other forces around the world at section and det level)
In saying that. We used to have to carry it and the Bren around until the C9 come into service. It payed to have a 6' 4" 105 kilo brut in your section. He was always the gunner no matter how good he was at other stuff

I liked carrying the c9 ...... helped my street cred .... so young and so serious

Originally Posted by R93

Other considerations of an LMG/LSW is its role. The C9 can be mag fed with any AR type magazine. Very handy if you run out or cannot access your supply of link, when in the shit. The Belgian GPMG is a great bit of kit but its weight and cyclic rate suit DFSW, static and co-ax applications. (There are Para and lighter versions used by other forces around the world at section and det level)
In saying that. We used to have to carry it and the Bren around until the C9 come into service. It payed to have a 6' 4" 105 kilo brut in your section. He was always the gunner no matter how good he was at other stuff

Would have to be the thread with the most initialisms by a CM

😆 sorry.

LSW=light support weapon
LMG=light machine gun
GPMG=general purpose MG
DFSW= Direct fire support weapon. (Sustained fire from a fixed mount for the gpmg)
Co-ax= co-axiel machine gun used to range a larger main weapon and or strafe. Tanks, APC etc.
Used to be called the LG43 iirc when mounted in a Scorpion or M113 APC



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SFMG=Sustained fire machine gun ie capable of maintaining a high rate of fire over a long time period.

did sustained fire for the Gurkhas when they had their morter team over using tracer to id the targets .... the link and brass kept my fingers warm between shots ....

Yeah I always wondered how much "Sustained Fire" the C9 could take after heating up both barrels on 400 rounds and the first one still being toasty hot while we swapped it back. No question though I thought they filled the squad role very well.

Apparently the one of the best SFMGs was the Vikers which due to the water cooling could keep up neer continous fire for hours on end. Not exactly portable though.

There is a Vickers in the Army museum that is said to have fired almost one million rounds in one week during the battle for the Somme.

Had a go on a russian m1910 maxim(great fun, prob 100 rounds), a couple of years ago. Still using the canvas belt etc.... What a testiment to good old engineering, but be buggered if you'd want to be on the team to move it around! (i make toby look fat, just to give a idea on my carry abliity )

As a side, i would have thought that any firearm/ weapon that you could grab anyone elses ammo and continue firing would be a advantage? Ie magazine and belt feed?

this was using the gymp ....not the c9 , I think if I remember I had to change barrels on the c9 every 250 rounds , only carried two with me ....

Originally Posted by stumpy

did sustained fire for the Gurkhas when they had their morter team over using tracer to id the targets .... the link and brass kept my fingers warm between shots ....

Originally Posted by Beaker

As a side, i would have thought that any firearm/ weapon that you could grab anyone elses ammo and continue firing would be a advantage? Ie magazine and belt feed?

Unfortunately the new LSW (7.62) does not have the same functionality but given that the only same caliber weapon with a mag is the DMW, it would have been a wasted feature anyway.