Thread: LMT MARS-L How are they working out for the NZDF?.

Evolution of the NZ Service Rifle

Originally Posted by NZShoota

Evolution of the NZ Service Rifle

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Fapalicious.

Originally Posted by GDMP

The few service people I have asked actually prefer the old Steyr.....they don't really see the new LMT as an upgrade at all.....

Really, I'd be interested to know what their background was. They're a significant step up. Alot of the time people are resistant to change especially the old boys club, despite the evidence in front of them.

Originally Posted by NZShoota

Evolution of the NZ Service Rifle

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Am doing something similar with NZ service pistols. List incomplete:

so....it is in effect a tacticoolafied version of the M16????? eg heart of thing is similar but the stock has been doctored a lot.....

I have a long list of gripes but then I am a lefty and I had used a lot of different rifles before the IW Steyr. I found that a few of NZDF who had learned to shoot with one liked them but most people who shot outside in civi street didn't. Interestingly my first issue one was Austrian made and it was definitely made better than an Australian one.
Tried shooting a Steyr while wearing body armor? No LOP adjustment.
The trigger was definitely horrible.
donuts scope = horrible
jammed something chronic with sand (dirt wasn't such a problem)
plastic charging handle breaking off it's steel sprue
lots of small parts to loose in a feild strip
horrible safety
but cap retention thingee = horrible
mag change and chamber behind your face so more difficult to visualy check

in a vehicle or urban combat where lenght is crucial they definitely have some good points

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so....it is in effect a tacticoolafied version of the M16????? eg heart of thing is similar but the stock has been doctored a lot.....

Yep.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so....it is in effect a tacticoolafied version of the M16????? eg heart of thing is similar but the stock has been doctored a lot.....

M4.

round n round they go......they might start on different design in a few years and start issueing SMLE again lol.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

Is that in mint condition, or just with a worn barrel?

It's always been that way. The optic is only 1.5x which is a significant factor.

They just jam a lot more now that they are worn out.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

What weight projectile is the MARS-L using? I see it has a 1:7” barrel.

77 grain mk262. It's a HOT load.

The MARS, or its predicessors, were commercial rifles long before it was a military rifle.

again I say...wouldnt it have been a much much much better use of taxpayers $$$$$ and your ars to have issued them out to our troops......fark I hate the short sightedness of this govt of fools.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

again I say...wouldnt it have been a much much much better use of taxpayers $$$$$ and your ars to have issued them out to our troops......fark I hate the short sightedness of this govt of fools.

Our rifles were inherently evil. They had to be bent.

winstone is bent...... they should all be bent over and repurposed as ashtrays....