Thread: Minimum legal barrel length and overall length for firearms

What cal is it? Or shotgun

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Shotgun, a 12g norinco i got for $80 a while ago.

That forend looks like they should be on a single - not like my Baikals one
Need to attack it a bit more I think

Loud is a word that comes to mind when looking at that LOL

Originally Posted by Spanners

That forend looks like they should be on a single - not like my Baikals one
Need to attack it a bit more I think

Loud is a word that comes to mind when looking at that LOL

It is a single lol yea loud with a big flash coming out the spout

Originally Posted by Beavis

Like these http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2012armamen...590Silvers.pdf

that is all sorts of cool

what is the legality behind a really short 223 barrel with a suppressor pinned so It cannot be removed that the total package comes to 764mm?

Originally Posted by A.J.P.

Hi guys,

I just wanted your advice on whether there exists any current legislation in New Zealand relating to the minimum barrel length for either rifles, pistols or shotguns and OAL for shotguns? Having looked into this, all the information that I can find is that a pistol is defined in part as having an OAL of less than 762mm and a rifle as more than 762mm, but nothing specific to barrel length - and nothing at all relating to shotguns. Any advice you could offer would be gratefully received.




Cheers,

A.J.P.

"A pistol is any firearm that is designed or adapted to be held and fired with one hand, and includes any firearm that is less than 762 mm in length."

https://www.police.govt.nz/services/...code-section-3

Originally Posted by Bill999

that is all sorts of cool

what is the legality behind a really short 223 barrel with a suppressor pinned so It cannot be removed that the total package comes to 764mm?

Ask your AO , let us know how it went when you get out...

Originally Posted by Bill999

that is all sorts of cool

what is the legality behind a really short 223 barrel with a suppressor pinned so It cannot be removed that the total package comes to 764mm?

Legal as. There is/was a 7.5" upper on gun stuff set up like that

how was the suppressor attached?
pins?

To take it off you had to disassemble the upper in a way that rendered it inoperable

or i suppose i could just tack it on with the welder

has anyone ever seen the gasses from a suppressor bieng used to cycle the action rather than the gas block set up typically used?

i talked to AO about a short 9mm barrel (5") with a supp that holds the barrel onto the upper - ie supp has barrel nut in it
Remove the supp, the gun falls apart.
AO refered it to the Police Armourer, and his FINAL say was that the supp could be removed and a normal barrel nut fitted and would not be allowed.
I suggested that if you did so you were making the gun deliberately illegally short, thus not the point of the exercise, and that if you WANTED to make an illegally short gun, you would simply get the hacksaw out and chop the butt or barrel off.

Its all BS as a punch and hammer will remove a roll pin (not 'legal'), but if it has a weld tack on it, its fine.

I've worked a way to run a super short barrel with a can on it - basically using a long flashider fitted to the barrel and a tack, and using that as the internal porting for the supp, while maintaining min OAL when totally disassembled.

Its a joke. You could have a gun like an AR just over the minimum length and you can remove the stock with a single turn of a stock screw to make the gun shorter therefore illegal. However a muzzle break fitted to the same gun with a crush washer requiring a vice an a barrel clamp to remove would be illegal in the length consideration.

@digit and spanners, bear in mind the armourer is giving an opinion that may or may not be legally correct, only a court can decide that I believe. Given they lost on the pistol grip thing I'd suggest that if a suppressor is permanently fitted in such a way that if it or the bit its attached to was removed the gun was made in-operable I'd expect it to be legal, the law seems very precise to me. Guess you need to make one and wave it in front of your AO and see how it works out for you....

Another thought, if the barrel and suppressor was machined in one piece how doesnt that work? or what about a barrel with a total length overbarrel suppressor?