Thread: My 9.3x62...

Looks like you could go lower mounts too,possibly. As long as bolt clears.

Originally Posted by HandH

I have some Norma factory 232gr ammo. And I think I’ve got some lighter Woodleighs from memory will need to check. Hate the idea of making a 9.3 rifle heavier…

Let me know if you find any lighter Woodleighs, I would be interested. I would like some Norma Oryx 232g ideally but good luck with ordering some of those in.

Originally Posted by Fee Knicks

Try the slip-on recoil pad. They are cheap as chips and it might make all the differance

The recoil pad thats on it is doing fine, it's soft and sqidgey, its not perished or anything,

Is that a Husky 9.3x62?

It's just shooting off the bench that bothers me. I think it's bench technique is the problem. I am going to have to stand up.

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

Is that a Husky 9.3x62?

Yes. its a Husky 1600 in a custom stock. Very light stock actually despite the figure it has. It may not be walnut.

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

It's just shooting off the bench that bothers me. I think it's bench technique is the problem. I am going to have to stand up.

Build yourself a tall table or dig yourself a trench.

I'd download it with cast bullets and trail boss as mentioned earlier. Full house loads with lighter bullets are still going to be pretty stout.

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

Yes. its a Husky 1600 in a custom stock. Very light stock actually despite the figure it has. It may not be walnut.

I have a Husky 1651 in 358NM. Shooting 225 SGK's ahead of 77gn's of 2209 for 2880fps. It is reasonably comfortable to shoot, have shot it prone on gongs and deer no problems. 9.3 aint too much more than 358, maybe some lighter projectiles and a little less speed should sort the problem.

I'm not sure you're quite understanding the point some of us are trying to make - it's not a smartarse "pussy shooter" thing it's just the dynamics of the big guns and how the stock design can make or break them (or more correctly you).

The first thing I saw with that stock configuration on your rifle is that the stock looks to be proportioned for iron sights which are on top of the barrel about 45mm or so lower. This means that the bore line (or center line of the recoil forces) is above the line of the butt stock. This means two things, 1) your hold on the rifle when sighting through a scope is not 'natural' and you aren't in the best position to fully control and absorb the recoil into your bone structure and 2) the rifle is naturally going to rotate upwards which is going to make the felt recoil feel worse than it actually is.

The suggestion for a Limbsaver or the like isn't due to the current recoil pad being stuffed, the Limbsavers (and similar from other makers) have an element in them that helps control the upwards rotation and transfers it more into a straight line rearwards push which doesn't feel as bad because you have more muscle groups employed in soaking the hit up. The same point about the cheek riser, a more solid and repeatable upright position will mean the recoil is less upwards and more rearwards. You can't do much more than that with the design of the handle as it looks to be configured for iron sights first and scope second. I don't think more weight will make any difference to your recoil experience, as it will not prevent the upwards rotation under recoil that you have noted and this is what is making the thing feel so vicious. OK for a few shots standing, but anything else just hurts.

Weatherby rifles are renowned for this, as well as some of the Sako Bavarian-type stocks with the beautiful but deadly hogsback curved butt design. Modern sporting bolt actions are a heap straighter in comparison, this is for good reason as they are usually a lot lighter than 8.5Lb and they'd just be brutal with that curved stock design.

https://youtu.be/w2uacSv1Xiw?si=B9Jw77Mf1CMkbLzk

This is our original Big Bore shoot back in 2016. You can see Owen using the 9.3 in this video.

Originally Posted by No.3

I'm not sure you're quite understanding the point some of us are trying to make - it's not a smartarse "pussy shooter" thing it's just the dynamics of the big guns and how the stock design can make or break them (or more correctly you).

The first thing I saw with that stock configuration on your rifle is that the stock looks to be proportioned for iron sights which are on top of the barrel about 45mm or so lower. This means that the bore line (or center line of the recoil forces) is above the line of the butt stock. This means two things, 1) your hold on the rifle when sighting through a scope is not 'natural' and you aren't in the best position to fully control and absorb the recoil into your bone structure and 2) the rifle is naturally going to rotate upwards which is going to make the felt recoil feel worse than it actually is.

The suggestion for a Limbsaver or the like isn't due to the current recoil pad being stuffed, the Limbsavers (and similar from other makers) have an element in them that helps control the upwards rotation and transfers it more into a straight line rearwards push which doesn't feel as bad because you have more muscle groups employed in soaking the hit up. The same point about the cheek riser, a more solid and repeatable upright position will mean the recoil is less upwards and more rearwards. You can't do much more than that with the design of the handle as it looks to be configured for iron sights first and scope second. I don't think more weight will make any difference to your recoil experience, as it will not prevent the upwards rotation under recoil that you have noted and this is what is making the thing feel so vicious. OK for a few shots standing, but anything else just hurts.

Weatherby rifles are renowned for this, as well as some of the Sako Bavarian-type stocks with the beautiful but deadly hogsback curved butt design. Modern sporting bolt actions are a heap straighter in comparison, this is for good reason as they are usually a lot lighter than 8.5Lb and they'd just be brutal with that curved stock design.

I do understand what you mean, but I do disagree about straight stocks being better for heavy recoil. And I have shot this particular rifle in a stock with a cheekpeice and also without and it did also come with a limbsaver when I got it.

In my opinion rifles that recoil straight back rearwards give the shooter more felt recoil because the rifle is literally hitting them harder. A stock that causes the rifle to lift up is dissipating recoil energy into the movement. (Some people think they are being kicked to death because the rifle jumps a lot.) A heavier rifle dissapates more recoil energy because it has more mass. The more mass you get the rifle to lift instead of hitting you with it the better. The rifle coming up under recoil does not bother me, I have others that move around as much. A .30/06 with 220 grain bullets in a light rifle you will have to hold onto as well, or a Marlin .45/70. Modern rifles with straight stocks are that way for using scopes, not because a straight stock mitigates recoil any better.

In my opinion putting this rifle into a straighter stock would make the experience worse.

(I have been a bit facetious for entertainment in my first post, about the rifle jumping up and hitting me - the rifle has not actually hit me, although the scope has, once, when I had a poor shooting position.)



Thinking about it today, I really think its my bench technique that needs to alter, for example - the same way shooting prone is going be more of a bastard recoil wise than otherwise. I need to be able to sway back with the recoil, my natural bench technique it to get in low behind the thing, which is when you get walloped

Originally Posted by stug

https://youtu.be/w2uacSv1Xiw?si=B9Jw77Mf1CMkbLzk

This is our original Big Bore shoot back in 2016. You can see Owen using the 9.3 in this video.

I've never seen that video. Very cool. You can see that offhand its not bad at all. (Plus Owen was not loading his ammo up to max though either.)

I had Stug's Mauser 9.3x62 before him and it is a very light rifle with open sights, I found it very mild to shoot with factory loads but I don't recall shooting it prone. I think it still had the factory horn buttplate in those days.

Were I too shoot it again I'd get someone to check my posture on the gun, I'd want my head up, cheekweld is a benchrest invention that yank gunwriters have witters endlessly about until it has become gospel, but if you watch how the Euro hunters - yes hunters, they shoot "heads up". No3 is wrong about the hogsback stocks, yes they may offend the eye, but for offhand shooting at moving targets they are very effective, and suit powerful rifles just fine.

Ya gotta be careful what you read or are influenced by in most things, shooting as well!

I’ve shot it prone with the horn but plate, not pleasant at all. The drop in the stock lines up really well with the open sights and shooting it standing is not bad at all, especially with the slip on limbsaver.