Thread: new law and gun shop

Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

I really don't get the paranoia over the register? I've already got a licence so its pretty safe to assume I have a firearm. the police and gov have my licence details.

but somehow me saying yes, I own guns is a step too far?

it's like saying that having a drivers licence is fine but having to register your car is some sort of orwellian nightmare.

Ok I will firmly place a tinfoil hat on and answer that. You register your 6 firearms today. Next week they decide you only allowed 3 they now know you have 3 too many. Or you register your 15 no issues until they decide you need to pay $100 per year per firearm.

It's a funny thing. Go into a dairy or vape shop with a 3 wood and it achieves the same effect as a firearm, projection of terror. Yet no one ever comes out to say you have too many clubs in your golf bag... There's an interesting thing in the psychology of it somewhere. I'm lead to believe more people are killed in NZ each average year by assault with a golf club as well (ignoring years where the stats are well chucked out).

Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

I really don't get the paranoia over the register? I've already got a licence so its pretty safe to assume I have a firearm. the police and gov have my licence details.

but somehow me saying yes, I own guns is a step too far?

it's like saying that having a drivers licence is fine but having to register your car is some sort of orwellian nightmare.

The issue is with the foundation it lays. Governments love scope creep - what they've sold the registry on this year damn sure isn't what they will be using it for in 5, 10+ years time. Soon we will be dealing with the same BS they do in Aussie. For example one minute a Firearm is allowed into the country, the next minute the govt decides that particular model is evil and bans it. Then they go straight to their registry, find who owns one, and demand they hand their lawfully purchased items in.

My pick for the first scope creep we will see in our NZ registry is a limit on the number of firearms you can hold.

Originally Posted by Tahr

You missed something there - go back and look at what I was referring to.
But anyway, scrolling past can sometimes be difficult 'cos even stupid can be fascinating.

I hear ya.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Ok I will firmly place a tinfoil hat on and answer that. You register your 6 firearms today. Next week they decide you only allowed 3 they now know you have 3 too many. Or you register your 15 no issues until they decide you need to pay $100 per year per firearm.

Excuse me sir, but why do you need 2 303's? Why do you have 3 22's? Why are you buying 300 win mag ammo when you don't own a win mag?, oh you're collecting it for you mate down the road that can't get to the shop? Why do you need extra mag's?

Registration is the beginning of the end. Nothing is more certain - it will be a death by 1000 cuts .

Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

I really don't get the paranoia over the register? I've already got a licence so its pretty safe to assume I have a firearm. the police and gov have my licence details.

but somehow me saying yes, I own guns is a step too far?

it's like saying that having a drivers licence is fine but having to register your car is some sort of orwellian nightmare.

Well for a start they’ve already had one cock up, how would you like your details, firearm numbers and types falling into the wrong hands?
A shopping list for criminals. How would you like having a knock on your door one night by a few gang members coming round to fill their shopping list?

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

Well for a start they’ve already had one cock up, how would you like your details, firearm numbers and types falling into the wrong hands?
A shopping list for criminals. How would you like having a knock on your door one night by a few gang members coming round to fill their shopping list?

They don't have to wait for a data breach for that to happen.

Originally Posted by Tahr

They don't have to wait for a data breach for that to happen.

A data breach will make their job a bit easier

Originally Posted by winchesterM69A

Registration is the beginning of the end. Nothing is more certain - it will be a death by 1000 cuts .

I'm old enough to have had a little red books. Others here had to get permit to procure..this has being going on since 1920.... this is the latest episode.....

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Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

I really don't get the paranoia over the register? I've already got a licence so its pretty safe to assume I have a firearm. the police and gov have my licence details.

but somehow me saying yes, I own guns is a step too far?

it's like saying that having a drivers licence is fine but having to register your car is some sort of orwellian nightmare.

They aren't hell bent in taking your car.....yet
Wait till the decide anything over 3l litres is forbidden, diesel is not for private use etc

Originally Posted by Steve123

They aren't hell bent in taking your car.....yet
Wait till the decide anything over 3l litres is forbidden, diesel is not for private use etc

Turbocharged you say? Gonna need to register that.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

A shopping list for criminals. How would you like having a knock on your door one night by a few gang members coming round to fill their shopping list?

B, C and P are already registered and would be desirable to thieves. At the moment farms are the obvious source of firearms, I don't know any farm without firearms so thieves will target us if they are desperate, but so far firearms do not seem to be something they are targeting over other easily sold items.

I oppose the register because of the cost at a time when the country needs to save money. The theft issue does not seem quite so much of an issue to me, but this is probably because all the local mongrel mob guys know I have firearms already so I will not be any worse off with the registry.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

National is playing the game. They will say that right up until they need to form a government with act. They get to look good to the ignorant masses and then say, oh but act insisted.

Hopefully enough people vote ACT and they will be big dog and National will just be the wagging tail, here's hoping!

Originally Posted by PadLo

Turbocharged you say? Gonna need to register that.

It's not turbocharged, it's an assault engine