Thread: NZ Defence Force to buy 82 new high-tech rifles for $4 million

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Back on track.

Its great to see they are going to have some new gear, yes the cost seems to be pretty high but as mentioned it includes a lot of gear, spares, training etc.

I have used both the M107-A1 & M-Rad, they are very nice to use & fit for purpose

I would be more worried about where/who the gear is to be used for/on.
A lot of unnecessary Wars on our Planet.
Heard of Donbass (East Ukraine) a lot of Sniper activity there - by local AND NATO mercenaries.

Not all - as we are lead to believe via Media are "enemy or bad" people.
They are more collateral damage to a hidden agenda for hegemony advance/gain.

Originally Posted by BRADS

They'd get schooled

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Yeah shooting in a calm, relaxed environment is a bit different aye mate. Get off your high horse.

Wish I had 48K to spend on a rifle, the lucky bastards

Originally Posted by Bernie

There's some great shooters out there in civilian. Life but I'm not sure taking a shot on the range can not be compared to a battle field situation Could not compare the pressure on the soldier to the range don't know much about either shooting situations just my thorts on it no one shooting back at you on the range I will stay there�� safer (be gentle nt tryin to offend anyone)

@Bernie don't be gentle be rough offend some. I do on occasion, it makes life interesting

Fuck some of you are precious! Re read what was said, most in jest. Fucking keyboard warriors

there are some precious pups out there @Gibo and makes for some interesting reads

I have won over SOF guys in an IPSC match, does it make me better than them?

In that particular civilian shooting match environment, but not in what they really do. Shooting is only a part of a soldier's occupation.

Military snipers not winning a civilian long range pure shooting event?, sure it probably happens all the time, but put the civilians in their shoes is another story.

If a sniper cant win a civilian long range event then they needs to retire. remember snipers are not on the battle front getting all the fire like the grunts are, if they cant take out a civilian match then they don't deserve their status as elite.

Hollywood has a lot to answer for with ( some ) poeples perceptions on what is required to be a sniper . . .

IF thats the case then ALL shooters have to use issue ammo with issue rifle shooting from unknown distances while being sprayed with a hose. We'll see who wins then.

I don't care how much it costs to have troops armed and trained to the best they can be. but if your trained specialist, and snipers are, then you should be able to out do the local hick with his civilian gun any day.

It is quite common for the civilian to beat the guy from the forces from what I've read on a number of local and overseas forums. Mostly what I've read has been from the non civie. The things in favour of the civilian are that he gets to tailor his gear and load a lot more, and has to fork out for it all so makes sure it does what it needs to. The enlisted guy gets given the gear and ammo which is generally not tuned so well, but made to do it's job.

who gives a toss as long as you can shoot minute of terrorist, its all good.

Originally Posted by rossi.45

Hollywood has a lot to answer for with ( some ) poeples perceptions on what is required to be a sniper . . .

Yup. Most would find it surprising that the marksmanship component is by far the easiest of the skills a candidate learns.

Shooting makes up only about 10% of the role.




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Originally Posted by R93

Yup. Most would find it surprising that the marksmanship component is by far the easiest of the skills a candidate learns.

Shooting makes up only about 10% of the role.




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So someone who shoots for 10% of their role will be better than 100% of civilians at shooting?

Never underestimate a group of civilians doing what they have a passion for, and you can hardly form that opinion having not met the civilians that are being talked about, however Brads can as he's viewed extensively qualified/trained snipers in the same place and conditions as the civilians being spoken about.

Note: I know bugger all on the subject.