Thread: NZ Defence Force to buy 82 new high-tech rifles for $4 million

Originally Posted by BRADS

They'd get schooled

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I have seen guys that would school all of us with out raising a sweat.
that's not hearsay either as seen with my own eyes

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Originally Posted by berg243

I consider it this way you don't want to go up against a terrorist or an enemy combatant with a bb gun if they have high power rifles.the better the weapons and training they have the better chance of the right outcome of no innocents killed.yes these are bought with the intention to kill hopefully our armed forces are trained and have the right attitude to innocent lives.yes I also understand that there is a lot going on around the world and in Ukraine and a lot is not widely reported what goes on.but we should have a decent defence force even if it is small.

Berg - it is not the Soldier that I am inferring too - it’s the - ummm - how can I put it in civil/common words - administrations/governances that is/are the "potential/pending" problem.
This tread is about the expenditure of 4mill on weaponry for - NOT defence - BUT offence (in my eyes) as we in NZ are not and most likely NEVER will be attacked - understandi

Ah the PC war, where nobody gets hurt, let a lone dies! These rifles in trained hands would be the berries, bit of a step up from the 222s the police had a few years ago! Of course it may not happen?

I have found a common assault rifle and a bowie knife suffices on most occasions.

Can we put our names now for xmilsurp ones yet?

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@Sarvo, can you pls explain to me what the difference is between offensive vs defensive weaponry ?

What is the military roll of these things? My pick is they are primarily more portable anti equipment rather than anti personnel, though personnel will usually be caught in the equipment. Built to use a range of off the shelf ammo with various terminal properties.

I can well imagine our guys punching well above their weight against other countries forces, it's the kiwi way.

Originally Posted by Paddy79

I don't care how much it costs to have troops armed and trained to the best they can be. but if your trained specialist, and snipers are, then you should be able to out do the local hick with his civilian gun any day.

So a civilian wins over a soldier in a single match setting? It makes the civilian a better shot that day, but not a better sniper.

Sniping is of course whole lot to do with with other matters than purely pulling the trigger and often also about not pulling the trigger.

Have you served in your military there?

Originally Posted by Paddy79

@R93 think you have spent to long over seas and think you may have forgotten that kiwis are the most self righteous opinionated folks on the planet hahaha its sad but true
as a result you will get a bunch of ramblings from madmen on occasion who may or may not know any better
for instance @Rushy believes Waikato is mothers milk, the nectar of gods. he is nutts

Ahh ooh pffftttt. Non believer. Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by gadgetman

What is the military roll of these things? My pick is they are primarily more portable anti equipment rather than anti personnel, though personnel will usually be caught in the equipment. Built to use a range of off the shelf ammo with various terminal properties.


I can well imagine our guys punching well above their weight against other countries forces, it's the kiwi way.

I saw it many times when I was serving. We whooped the Aussies, Brits and the Yanks in speed and accuracy on a number of occasions.

Anyone can develop the skill to shoot well but the focus and discipline to shoot well while shit is happening is the result of good training and frequent practise. I was hitting the 1800 yard target well with my .338 at the Toby shoot but I am not so sure anymore that I would have been able to if it was returning fire and the buggers mates were out flanking me.

Originally Posted by tommygun

Perhaps you can add more to conversations on the Green Peace facebook page rather than here, if that's how you feel? The thread is under the "Firearms, optics, and accessories" tab, we are discussing the Army's new purchases here.
I think it says a lot that they've obviously had a healthy budget for these rifles, and have decided to stick Nightforce scopes on them =)

Did they go with nightforce?
No wonder the article describes them as day time optics.

I cant believe people are complaining at the cost, $4mill would pay for what, maybe a k of roading, or maybe the catering cost of a handful of council meetings. With the added bonus that a sniper with a Barrett as door gunner in an Nh90 is probably the closest thing we'll get to a defensive air force. Money well spent

Originally Posted by Nibblet

Did they go with nightforce?
No wonder the article describes them as day time optics.

atacr 5x25 apparently.
awesome scopes!

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Probably ideal/necessary for the overseas roles that we are part of.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I saw it many times when I was serving. We whooped the Aussies, Brits and the Yanks in speed and accuracy on a number of occasions.

Anyone can develop the skill to shoot well but the focus and discipline to shoot well while shit is happening is the result of good training and frequent practise. I was hitting the 1800 yard target well with my .338 at the Toby shoot but I am not so sure anymore that I would have been able to if it was returning fire and the buggers mates were out flanking me.

And how many times have our fly boys won the find the sub contests with some antiquated old Andovers. Pass the parcel with ancient C130's that flew in looking like it had been used as a hay barn, only to be cleaned up and win the prettiest contest too. Everyone wanted the flying kiwis to go up against them in slow old Skyhawkes because they knew the guys in the hot seat would test them. Our Navy and Army did the same.

Going to be good when the lads on the ground get their new kit. I guarantee they will get way more out of them than they were designed for.

Other examples of professionals usually being beaten by amateurs, top marching girl teams cannot be beaten by any military, hobbyist woodworkers will beat a builder for fit and finish, show animal nutters will beat a farmer for animal presentation, ... I know who I'd want to fight a war, build a multi story and produce animals for the table.