Thread: Opinions on accuracy

Most Dodgy pricks don't give a shit, they have so many semi plausible excuses/lies its incredible, they have more cheek than a fat ladies arse & rely on the fact that it is usually too difficult for people to do bugger all about it & the law lacks teeth & people don't spread the word that well that they get ripped off because they feel embarrassed that it happened to them.

Came across an absolute shocker at work recently, I thought someone had put something in my coffee & I was hallucinating when the Lady rang, turns out a local "pillar of the industry" made a top out of material 1/2 the thickness than the industry standard, in fact it is clearly stated it is for vertical use only, he has had many many sheets of this material & will have untold expensive tops out there made from a substandard material. She is in a corner & has rung everyone one now including Fairgo, even the Lawyers aren't really interested, extremely disappointing situation, you trust someone to provide you with the appropriate product for the job especially when they are a "certified fabricator".....at least everyone in the industry will know now, I wonder if he turns up to the next meeting ? I might have to go for a change....

Cheers again for info and feedback guys. Have just finished submitting my claim. The ball has started rolling. so now let the slow slow wheels of justice turn!

A little late in reading this sorry, but for me MOA or less is worth bragging about... 3MOA yeah-nah...not so much.

His hand loads should be the key here, if that's his best loads and 3" groups are what they group, then it's not flash.

You could try autosol and take the barrel back to perfectly clean, then put 10 shots through it, then try a group. A really clean barrel will not group very well until you foul it up a bit after such an aggressive clean.

But with all that said, his hand loads should have done better than 3" right from the get go.

Best of luck.

Kj

have you tried hand loading for it yourself

Originally Posted by northdude

have you tried hand loading for it yourself

Yip.done over 100 reloads. Any that showed promised I played with seating depths etc. Ive never ever in my life not found a load within a trip or 2 to the range. I've done over 6 trips and still no closer than after the 1st. Its not a complicated caliber

is it consistant with where the shots are going on the target or is it just randomly putting them all over the place

I agree with Greg in post 61. Unfortunately even in the shooting fraternity there are some dishonest and unethical pricks. I unfortunately see alot of sob story POS guns that guys have purchased in good faith of TM which turn out to have been overstated as to their condition, and or state of 'fitness' for want of a better term. Guys bring them to me for assessment when they suspect they got sold a lemon and i end up having to give them the bad news. Sucks, but it does happen. How some guys lay straight in bed at night ripping off their fellow shooters i don't know..... But as Greg said, often they dont give a shit, or maybe its a bit of a hoot for them. "Ha ha ripped off some sucker with that POS i sold on TM."......??

Best thing that you can do before you do ANYTHING by way of modifying a gun you have just purchased, it take it to an expert or gunsmith with a borescope and have it checked out before you start doing work on it. Once you have done mods on a gun you pretty much own it. If it is under dispute then it makes it harder to force the seller or providor to take it back if it has been modifed without their consent.

On the other hand, i think therre wre some rifles out there that get sold in good faith as "accurate" but just not accurately described at the time of sale. Case i can remember was a rifle sold by an older guy as excellent condition and very accurate looked okay on the outside but had a very rough bore. Turned out the guy who owned it had not shot the rifle for 10 years, but had loaned it to a mate or nephew for a few years while he was in Aussie. While he was away the rifle was not well cleaned or maintained, ended up with a rusty and pitted bore as a result. Rifle was returned to the onwer upon his return to nz by the guy who loaned it. Owner never used it again but ended up putting it up for sale on TM as accurate (in good faith) as that is how it shot the last time that HE used it. Unfortunately he wasnt aware of the full extent or severity of the bore damage. I dont recall the exact out outcome of that one, but certainly there was no dispute about the fact that the rifle was not accurately described at the time of sale, even though in the mind of the seller it was 'mint'.

Worst case scenario for you is put it down to experience, but would still be a good idea to have someone with a borescope to check the bore out for you. Sorry, but i dont think you will be the last to get sold a dud on TM, or other online used gear outlets..........

I have bought quite a few rifles off TM. The first one was a shocker and put me off TM for a long while. It was an Anschutz 22 Hornet with a great description. When I received it I found the outside condition not great (first lesson, request more detailed photos in the listing if needed). More appallingly the barrel was rooted. The scope, again not visible in the photos was bent. The scope was mounted with the bend under the rear ring - how the f do you put a sharp bend in a scope. Any rate long story short I eventually got my money back but still cost me the return shipping. I was pooing myself waiting for my money.
The other turn off for me with TM listings is where sellers say "I have not personally shot it myself" (sorry Grunta). To me even if this is true it is laying the groundwork for a potential cop out if it is a dud. Buyer beware advise from someone who has been suckered but escaped. I now limit my purchases to either cheap items like older 22s or if more expensive to something I can collect and then reject if it looks bad. Doesn't help in the case of claimed accuracy issues which is always a dodgy standard value person to person.

Descriptions like "pristine", "minter", "one holer", "fired less than a box" - Caveat emptor
You are better probably better to buy something off a regular forum member than TardMe.

"I have not personally shot it myself" when I see this I just do not believe it, its a red flag for me.

Grunta,

Know what? Have you slugged the bore?

Josh

Sometimes it's true, I've made a few rifles over the years that I never got around to shooting. Mostly due to the project not really being needed (i have way to many guns already), or not having the dies or just didn't have a scope for it or whatever... then in the meantime something else pops up I want more and the unfired project gets sold. But if I haven't shot it, I declare it and don't make up an accuracy figure.

So it does happen, but how often its genuine I'm not sure?

Kj

The most overused word in descriptions on Trademe is 'mint'. I also had to go through the Disputes Tribunal about a shotgun which was 'mint', but when it arrived it had rust patches, and other signs of ill-use. I showed up at the hearing with an official opinion from a reputable gunshop owner about the condition and some dictionary explanations of what 'mint' means (unused, unissued coin or stamp). I got my money back but it was a bit of a drag. Later, I used a borescope and checked my own rifles. I had a very accurate Sako 243 which I had been very careful about with regards to cleaning and use. It had 748 rounds down the tube from new. The bore looked like a plowed field. It was still accurate but how long that was going to last was probably a very short time. The rifle that is of interest in this thread may have been on the edge of falling into inaccuracy. I checked a couple of second hand rifles in a gunshop that I was thinking of buying (described as 'mint' by the sales person). The barrels had pits and copper for Zambia (which probably had more pits underneath). I checked a couple of new rifles in the same shop and they also had rust inside them. So, it is not just on Trademe that you get damaged goods. Even new goods may be damaged, and any gunshop that is worth your cash will offer to let you use their borescope to check the inside of the barrel before exchanging with your 'mint' money.

They don't all have bore scopes, or they don't openly say they have. I took mine into gun shop to check out a rifle that I was on the cusp of buying - had looked at it on a previous visit - bore was badly pitted. Outcome - I departed with my money still in my pocket complete with shop owner's metaphoric dagger firmly in my back. I am sure it was soon sold though. Rile was in A1 condition on the outside too.

Update guys and girls.

Had my hearing today...............Winner winner chicken dinner!