Thread: Permit to Procure - Serialised components vs complete firearms.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Thats really fucked up Jexla. A dealer lost his license because one of his customers did something similar to what they asked you to do.

You sure it wasn't because the dealer sold the gun in a e-cat form to someone without a permit to procure and the someone then tried to get a permit?

Don't know. Story I was told was customer was going to convert it to E cat so he sold him a 30 round mag to go with it when he changed it over.

I'll have the floorplate thanks Tommy.

Originally Posted by Ingrid 51

I agree with the AO's stance. It's a bit like some rocking on up with borrowed wheels for a wof on their ute, passing the inspection, then swapping back to stuffed treads. Although the intention to be discrete is commendable, perhaps all parts could be taken in, so at inspection, full assembly is an option. There appears to be more and more 'internal' accountability these days I suggest.

Right. So, what if i bought a rolling body of a car, and to change the registration into my name it they expected me to present a warrantable car for inspection?

The problem is that I have seen "guns" sold in the past that are nothing more than registered receivers. L1A1s that are on licence, but are just a rusted out receiver with a barrel mounted to them.

Furthermore, what does it matter if I change something on the gun? It's already registered as E, so technically I can change anything I want except the overall length.

I had the part that really mattered, the serialised component.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Don't know. Story I was told was customer was going to convert it to E cat so he sold him a 30 round mag to go with it when he changed it over.

So it sounds like he sold it in a E-cat configuration to someone without a permit to procure. I'm not surprised he lost his licence, if that's what happened.

No wonder the cops seem to be so hot on AR15s and similar guns.

And yet you have AO's insisting people bring in their rifles in an MSSA configuration before they'll change them over? I guess that's ok with you cuz it's the police.

Sounds like Angela. I've unfortunately had a couple runs in with her, and her unsupported interpretations and requests (see demands) for information that is not legally required.

After several requests for her to process an application, I filed a complaint. I received a prompt reply from her boss, apologising and accepting full responsibility for the delay (respect for that).

I would recommend that anyone encountering AOs demanding unnecessary information or attempting to impose illegal requirements, 'stick to your guns'.

Every time people acquiesce to their illegal actions, it encourages their behavior and means another will have to fight the same battle in your stead.

Be polite, but do not yield. Escalate it higher as required or submit a complaint. Let them know that you are unhappy with the service you are receiving. They have to respond and their performance is measured.

I know we all want a speedy resolution, and don't want any hassles. However, fighting the smaller battles now, will help not only yourself, but the community as a whole.

Today is the day to stand up for your community.

Yep, Angela.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Sounds like Angela. I've unfortunately had a couple runs in with her, and her unsupported interpretations and requests (see demands) for information that is not legally required.

After several requests for her to process an application, I filed a complaint. I received a prompt reply from her boss, apologising and accepting full responsibility for the delay (respect for that).

I would recommend that anyone encountering AOs demanding unnecessary information or attempting to impose illegal requirements, 'stick to your guns'.

Every time people acquiesce to their illegal actions, it encourages their behavior and means another will have to fight the same battle in your stead.

Be polite, but do not yield. Escalate it higher as required or submit a complaint. Let them know that you are unhappy with the service you are receiving. They have to respond and their performance is measured.

I know we all want a speedy resolution, and don't want any hassles. However, fighting the smaller battles now, will help not only yourself, but the community as a whole.

Today is the day to stand up for your community.

This

I have found that if you are firm,polite,and of course correct that you get what you need from police. The staff member that either has no clue or is putting there own spin on things shouldn't be given in to-doing so just makes it harder on the next person they deal with as you reinforce the staff members position

3d printing will change everything.

Originally Posted by Daggers_187

Up until now, whenever I have a firearm cited to get a permit signed, I have stripped it down to just the serialised component plus whatever I can't get off without specialised tools. I would then take that to the AO and have it cited, for the purpose of being discrete.

Today I took my new NEA-25 to the Auckland Central station to have the firearm cited and my permit to procure signed. As per the usual I had removed all the components I could and had only the serialized components. I was immediately told by the AO that this was unacceptable and that I needed to present an entire firearm for citing in order to have my permit signed. I questioned this, asking what would happen if I had only bought a serialised lower with no other components? Her reply was that "You wouldn't have been given a permit for a gun unless it was for an entire gun." She then went on to say that lots of people with "AK-15s or whatever they are" are bringing in "just the little bit". She then, after conferencing with some colleagues behind closed doors, agreed to sign my permit.

Has anyone else run into this? Is this a new policy? I called Kevin on the shore to check and he had a rather non-committal answer that "they weren't technically wrong".

The last person to walk down the road with a gun bag had the aos called on him. What a stupid cunt AO. Id lay a complaint.

AO here in Welly said when I took an AR10 in that I only needed to bring the lower for inspection if I wanted - which is true and correct


Forums like this are great cos we seem to be more organised than our national network of AOs

Originally Posted by Beavis

And yet you have AO's insisting people bring in their rifles in an MSSA configuration before they'll change them over? I guess that's ok with you cuz it's the police.

pretty sure its an unlawful request.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

The last person to walk down the road with a gun bag had the aos called on him. What a stupid cunt AO. Id lay a complaint.

Yep, first time I walked in with the receiver in a brown envelope. Next visit I had to find a park a block away and walk up Hobson st with a rifle bag. Geniuses eh?

Didn't have to bring along a mag like the other fellah, but what's next? Have to bring it loaded?

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Sounds like Angela. I've unfortunately had a couple runs in with her, and her unsupported interpretations and requests (see demands) for information that is not legally required.

After several requests for her to process an application, I filed a complaint. I received a prompt reply from her boss, apologising and accepting full responsibility for the delay (respect for that).

I would recommend that anyone encountering AOs demanding unnecessary information or attempting to impose illegal requirements, 'stick to your guns'.

Every time people acquiesce to their illegal actions, it encourages their behavior and means another will have to fight the same battle in your stead.

Be polite, but do not yield. Escalate it higher as required or submit a complaint. Let them know that you are unhappy with the service you are receiving. They have to respond and their performance is measured.

I know we all want a speedy resolution, and don't want any hassles. However, fighting the smaller battles now, will help not only yourself, but the community as a whole.

Today is the day to stand up for your community.

How do I file a complaint?