Thread: Police at it again

Could this also be processed through a formal complaint to the Independent Police Conduct Authority? Independent of both Police and government sounds like a good thing!

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/

Originally Posted by Oli1102

Could this also be processed through a formal complaint to the Independent Police Conduct Authority? Independent of both Police and government sounds like a good thing!

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/

The word "independent", is one of those Wellington Bureaucrat in jokes. There is nothing independent about the complaints authority. It is a political appointment and he, or she will always find in favour of the police.

Originally Posted by JWB

The word "independent", is one of those Wellington Bureaucrat in jokes. There is nothing independent about the complaints authority. It is a political appointment and he, or she will always find in favour of the police.

In situations like this that impact all f/a licence holders, emotive rubbish has no place. Save it for the retarded rugby or dog threads.

A 5 second search like ‘IPCA finds against police’ will show you are completely wrong.

Some of you guys need to get your emotions under control. You embarrass yourselves and other licence holders by extension by some of the content you post.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

In situations like this that impact all f/a licence holders, emotive rubbish has no place. Save it for the retarded rugby or dog threads.

A 5 second search like ‘IPCA finds against police’ will show you are completely wrong.

Some of you guys need to get your emotions under control. You embarrass yourselves and other licence holders by extension by some of the content you post.

@Proudkiwi,

Good point re being too dismissive of the powers that be.

It is however difficult to confidently assert that IPCA is independent of Police based on it making findings against Police. Besides NZ being a small place, the IPCA itself does not investigate complaints but delegates investigations to serving cops, cop investigating cop.

Notwithstanding this, IPCA's lack of independence while unhelpful clearly does not necessarily impact on IPCA's sincerity.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

In situations like this that impact all f/a licence holders, emotive rubbish has no place. Save it for the retarded rugby or dog threads.

A 5 second search like ‘IPCA finds against police’ will show you are completely wrong.

Some of you guys need to get your emotions under control. You embarrass yourselves and other licence holders by extension by some of the content you post.

If the police stuck to their fucking jobs and stopped making shit up then we wouldn't be posting anything now would we?

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Is there something not quite right about putting the fox in the henhouse to count the chickens?

Interesting.

Tell me, how long did you serve in the police or on the authority?

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

Interesting.
Tell me, how long did you serve in the police or on the authority?

@Proudkiwi

Yeah, nah, you show us yours first. Really?

Well I didnt serve on the authority but I certainly investigated other cops during my time.

Your posts come across as superficial to anyone that actually has any experience. Copy and pasting at its finest.

Feel free to not quote or reference my posts because I really don’t need the ‘support’

Back to my main point.

Rubbish/uninformed/emotive posts, exemplified by the ones above from JWB and Cordite embarrass us all. Please stop.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

Well I didnt serve on the authority but I certainly investigated other cops during my time.

Your posts come across as superficial to anyone that actually has any experience. Copy and pasting at its finest.

Feel free to not quote or reference my posts because I really don’t need the ‘support’

Back to my main point.

Rubbish/uninformed/emotive posts, exemplified by the ones above froJWB and Cordite embarrass us all. Please stop.

Why don't you elucidate us on what the process and how it is independent since we are obviously cynical and don't think it is. Rather than just saying stuff and not explaining it. Which is what you're complaining about.

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It will detract from this thread which is what I was actually talking about.

Feel free to do your own research. You can start here and make your own decision.

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/about-us/What-we-do.aspx

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

It will detract from this thread which is what I was actually talking about.

Feel free to do your own research. You can start here and make your own decision.

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/about-us/What-we-do.aspx

Not surprisingly yah just put me into something I could Google.

There's always PM.....

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Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

Back to my main point.
Rubbish/uninformed/emotive posts, exemplified by the ones above from JWB and Cordite embarrass us all. Please stop.

I take it @Proudkiwi you refer to this post by yours truly:

@Proudkiwi,

Good point re being too dismissive of the powers that be.

It is however difficult to confidently assert that IPCA is independent of Police based on it making findings against Police. Besides NZ being a small place, the IPCA itself does not investigate complaints but delegates investigations to serving cops, cop investigating cop.

Notwithstanding this, IPCA's lack of independence while unhelpful clearly does not necessarily impact on IPCA's sincerity."



I trust, @Proudkiwi, you will note that I respond politely. Where I am on hols it's mid-day so I'm not as grumpy as I'd be at midnight (-:

Anyway... what precisely is so "[r]ubbish/uninformed/emotive" about my posting? It was as polite a tick-off as you'll get, and it duly included an acknowledgement of where you did have it right. If we get into a habit of attacking people who politely disagree with us instead of correcting their supposed mistakes, how does that sit with us being fit and proper?? Does it come to punches face to face? When we make a criticism we need to be aware it always applies to ourselves too, I'm sure you will agree.

But I'll not disagree with you that I'm not worth arguing with. Really.

Good night.