Thread: Rem 700 halfcock

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Originally Posted by stagstalker

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Originally Posted by Shot Bro

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The Lee Enfield legacy lives on and refuses to die.

QUOTE=Jaco Goosen;1293230]I dont think you'll be able to do a half cock on a remington action the same way its being done on tikkas.

On a tikka you've got a pin that will move upward (from within the trigger mechanism)upon activation - to do a half cock safety upgrade an additional hole is machined into the bolt body. A remington trigger&safety works in a totally different way.

Would be interesting to see if someone's managed to do something like this on a remington.[/QUOTE

Yeah I was originally thinking that hense my OP, but hope it can. Be good to hear how yours turned out @stagstalker

Originally Posted by dogmatix

The Lee Enfield legacy lives on and refuses to die.

Greetings @dogmatix and all,
I had not seen half cock on bolt action rifles mentioned fo a bit and hoped it had died a natural death. Back in the .303 days the Lee Enfield had both a half cock notch and a safety catch. Neither was very good and the rifle could fife from either position with a sharp blow to the cocking peice such as in a fall. Having the firing pin down on a loaded chamber was even worse. Due to this the Mountain Safety Council teaching was to use a half open bolt (position of semi readyness) when close to game. This is where the cartridge is held by the extractor and the action part open. The firing pin main spring was uncompressed and it took two separate motions to be ready to fire, forward to compress the main spring and down to lock the action ready to fire. It was a safe although somewhat clumsy solution.
Time passed and some hunters started using Mauser rifles and even commercial hunting rifles. The distrust of safety catches hammered home by the MSC persisted and some started to carry their rifles in what they incorrectly called half cock. In this postion the bolt was fully forward and the mainspring compressed needing only the bolt to be lowered to fire. Some rifles, particularly Sako's, were reasonably stable in this position but this was never designed as a safe way to carry a rifle and it was not. In a stumble the bolt could easily be lowered without the hunter being aware of it. Butchering the rifle to improve things does not help mutch. The Mountain Safety Council dithered and failed to address the problem but for me the only way to carry a rifle when sneaking up on deer is with a chambered round and a regularly tested safety catch applied.
Regards Grandpamac.

Don't know how old this thread is but regarding the half cock on a Remington 700, as long as the position is positive there is no problem with it.

Originally Posted by redbaron1958

Don't know how old this thread is but regarding the half cock on a Remington 700, as long as the position is positive there is no problem with it.

It's still cocked. There is nothing 'half' or 'safe' about it.

If the trigger is pulled, the firing pin will still fall and you are relying on the weight of the bolt and handle to provide enough resistance required to retard the firing pin's forward motion. It will still strike the primer but maybe not hard enough to set it off...

Guess what happens when you perform bolt lightening mods like lightweight firing pin, fluting the bolt handle and body?

Originally Posted by caberslash

It's still cocked. There is nothing 'half' or 'safe' about it.

If the trigger is pulled, the firing pin will still fall and you are relying on the weight of the bolt and handle to provide enough resistance required to retard the firing pin's forward motion. It will still strike the primer but maybe not hard enough to set it off...

Guess what happens when you perform bolt lightening mods like lightweight firing pin, fluting the bolt handle and body?

Greetings @caberslash,
This, together with the belief that you can divine pressure by gazing at primers are two fables that just will not die. The idea came from a safe way to carry a Lee Enfield while hunting ie the half or part open action. With a cock on closing action this works well enough needing two movements against spring pressure. For a cock on opening it is not safe as you have deduced. Fortunately the word is finally getting through but it is slow progress with the diehards.
Regards Grandpamac.

I dont think you'll be able to do a half cock on a remington action the same way its being done on tikkas.

On a tikka you've got a pin that will move upward (from within the trigger mechanism)upon activation - to do a half cock safety upgrade an additional hole is machined into the bolt body. A remington trigger&safety works in a totally different way.

Would be interesting to see if someone's managed to do something like this on a remington.

Originally Posted by Jaco Goosen

I dont think you'll be able to do a half cock on a remington action the same way its being done on tikkas.

On a tikka you've got a pin that will move upward (from within the trigger mechanism)upon activation - to do a half cock safety upgrade an additional hole is machined into the bolt body. A remington trigger&safety works in a totally different way.

Would be interesting to see if someone's managed to do something like this on a remington.

That’s Greg’s half cock I had mine done at gun works years ago no hole in bolt and much better didn’t activate with the safety it activated at “half cocked” must have being a notch that the pin feel into underneath shoud never actually pulled it off and looked

Originally Posted by Dama dama

Yeah, I run the safety these days after 20 years or more of halfcock.

Yep, same here. I did use half-open bolt with a few bolt actions in the past. Since owned rifles in lever, pump, semi and straight-pull, all designed to be used with action closed and safety catch engaged.
For consistency I always use the safety now.

I'm also interested in what sort of half cock you can do on a rem model 7.
I have both types of half cocks on the tikkas.
The 'safety hole' style and a 'half cock detent' style.
I drilled the bolt on my tikka .223 myself which worked well. Got sick of picking the rifle up when hunting after not shooting, lifting the bolt, move rifle, the bolt would fall open and eject the round.
Definitely prefer the 'safety hole' half cock style while bush hunting. The bolt is locked in a neutral position.

Yep that safety hole, where the bolt is locked in a natural position is what I'm hoping to achieve. But it will be a different mod on the 700 bolt, with hopefully similar function.