Thread: Richard Lincoln

Originally Posted by outlander

What's an Eben? Something unsavory from South Africa?

His name


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Originally Posted by Spudattack

His name


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Shit...okay. Thanks.

Originally Posted by outlander

What's an Eben? Something unsavory from South Africa?

One of the better locks in world rugby?

Originally Posted by Ryan

Fair point Eben, anyone is entitled to learn (through their own volition) and change their beliefs (or avatar :p ) when living in a free society.

I would like you all to put me in charge of what your opinions are, to unify them. I promise, I will not allow it to corrupt me. Anyone divisive disagreeing?

Originally Posted by Ryan

Topic change but I take umbrage with your profession to be a "classic liberal". You are not (unless your outlook, like your avatar, has undergone a drastic and convenient change recently).

Debates where participants are not allowed to change their minds are sometimes called bloodbaths.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Especially in light of the thread (since deleted) where you advocated for "land restitution" in South Africa despite yourself having enjoyed the benefit of the land that was "stolen". Back on topic, Richard Lincoln has done nothing to harm you or anyone on this forum. He may, like you or I, be disagreeable to some but he has the right to pursue his career in a profession that he's invested time and money in.

No obvious conflict there (unless of course someone sells said land before you declaring it stolen).

That said, every piece of land everywhere in the world, travel back in a time machine and you'll eventually hit a spot where someone took it off someone else by unpleasant offers they were not in a position to refuse.

Originally Posted by ebf

Hello Ryan

Did not realise there were restrictions to changing your avatar picture... Yours always been the same ?

My views change constantly. It's called learning. I listen to people and if something makes sense to me or changes the way I view life I try to incorporate it.

We will have to agree to disagree about Mr Lincoln having harmed the broader firearms community already. I believe I have been quite clear on why I think he has, I'm really not keen to get involved in another debate with you.

Nah Ryan has changed his. I might change also.

How about this one for you @ebf ?

I wouldnt go quoting the DSM as a finite definer of psychiatric disorders either for its well known and somewhat hotly debated in trumpland ,that the authors have vested interests.....yep ya guessed the big pharmaceuticals!!
There is also an increasing school of thought as to IF including the so called PD range into psych illness is valid,though typically amongst the higher echelons of academia,this will drone on till politicians become honest
me- PDs not my cuppa -too emotionally exhausting and highly manipulative.
BTW-genuine MH profesional me just relicensed meself the other day$110.00 thank you very much.
bugger derailed the train briefly -sorry carryon as you were ,

I remain open on the subject of lincolns competence or otherwise,hence my following this debate.what i will say is obviously some actions were unwise,but equally the responses also seem to reek of playing the man not the ball.

Originally Posted by kotuku

I wouldnt go quoting the DSM as a finite definer of psychiatric disorders either for its well known and somewhat hotly debated in trumpland ,that the authors have vested interests.....yep ya guessed the big pharmaceuticals!!
There is also an increasing school of thought as to IF including the so called PD range into psych illness is valid,though typically amongst the higher echelons of academia,this will drone on till politicians become honest
me- PDs not my cuppa -too emotionally exhausting and highly manipulative.
BTW-genuine MH profesional me just relicensed meself the other day$110.00 thank you very much.
bugger derailed the train briefly -sorry carryon as you were ,

I remain open on the subject of lincolns competence or otherwise,hence my following this debate.what i will say is obviously some actions were unwise,but equally the responses also seem to reek of playing the man not the ball.

Benefit of admission to LS is that Lincoln will then be employed by someone, will then be working not alone but within a team, accountable, cannot be a loose cannon (if he ever was), and will also be subject to LS discipline and code of conduct, etc. It seems to address most concerns raised.

the EU use a different code for psych diagnosis and im aware of a growing groundswell for MH professionals to switch to it .however given MH is in such array at present well who knows. Cordite -your last -fine in theory at least but given here we're dealing with top two inches ,things often dont turn out as intended-thats a generalised comment based on my experience not specifically directed toward RL.

Originally Posted by kotuku

the EU use a different code for psych diagnosis and im aware of a growing groundswell for MH professionals to switch to it .however given MH is in such array at present well who knows. Cordite -your last -fine in theory at least but given here we're dealing with top two inches ,things often dont turn out as intended-thats a generalised comment based on my experience not specifically directed toward RL.

I did a thesis on the link between PD and high conflict personalities, and intervention strategies. That's how I became aware of this stuff. I'm not a MH professional. You would be far more up to date than I am but I was aware at the time of the criticisms of the DSM.

personality disorder has at its base emotional dysregulation(fancy term for control malfunction),basically everything no matter how minor gets a reaction blown out of all proportion.In fact id go as far as to say 99.9%of humanity may flit in and out of it at some time in their lives,particularly ,birth, death,marital /relationship breakdowns -all typically major occurrences in life,where the human fright fight flight reaction manifests,and emotionally youre as naked and fragile as a new born babies bum.obviously with good support systems and marked comonsense boundaries,we are able to rebuild our reserves and hopefully slowly regain "normal"functioning.
if this doesnt happen then you start to see the PD spectrum manifest-dysfunctional families ,multiple childhood traumas , inadequate social skills-all are immersed in the broth that breeds PD.
IMHO-currently one Donald trump shows all the hallmarks!!-furthermore given his current position it also makes him infinitelydangerous ,due to unpredictability.

Eben, good name to bear in mind if you need help.

Given that this is a deliberate attack on an advocate for NZ firearms owners by the law society and police, it would seem incumbent on COLFO, SSANZ, NZDA, NZPA, and the other various alphabet soups to contribute some of their member’s funds to support a fellow firearms advocate. One that they will be able to use, one that already has a proven track record of winning against illegal policy applications by the police.

Individual firearms clubs throughout the country should consider whether it might be prudent to support this individual, to have access to a firearms law specialist, going forward. Those of you who are firearms club members could raise the topic at your next meeting, as to contributing to this fund.

If this one falls through the cracks, then I wish the Thorpe report upon you all, in its entirety. Universal registration and your firearms secured in govt. armouries where you go cap in hand with your special reason to take your gun out for a walk. Pay for your release permit with its return time stamp and written threats as to the consequences of breaking the deadline.

Originally Posted by JWB

Given that this is a deliberate attack on an advocate for NZ firearms owners by the law society and police, it would seem incumbent on COLFO, SSANZ, NZDA, NZPA, and the other various alphabet soups to contribute some of their member’s funds to support a fellow firearms advocate. One that they will be able to use, one that already has a proven track record of winning against illegal policy applications by the police.

Individual firearms clubs throughout the country should consider whether it might be prudent to support this individual, to have access to a firearms law specialist, going forward. Those of you who are firearms club members could raise the topic at your next meeting, as to contributing to this fund.

If this one falls through the cracks, then I wish the Thorpe report upon you all, in its entirety. Universal registration and your firearms secured in govt. armouries where you go cap in hand with your special reason to take your gun out for a walk. Pay for your release permit with its return time stamp and written threats as to the consequences of breaking the deadline.

You have outlined the situation unpleasantly well.

I don't profess to be a Legal Eagle by any stretch of the imagination.

Section 74A and 74B Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 should have give one pause for thought. Given the recent shenanigans with dealers and A category parts imports, there's a lot of scope for "tightening the thumb screws". It's a slippery slope folks. We know that MSSA's constitute a virtually insignificant number of crimes committed with a firearm in this country. Why then are their sections in law that afford such sweeping powers to address a non-existential problem?

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act 12 New sections 74A and 74B inserted – New Zealand Legislation

The law is there for all to see, for those who care to read it.

Originally Posted by Ryan

I don't profess to be a Legal Eagle by any stretch of the imagination.

Section 74A and 74B Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 should have give one pause for thought. Given the recent shenanigans with dealers and A category parts imports, there's a lot of scope for "tightening the thumb screws". It's a slippery slope folks. We know that MSSA's constitute a virtually insignificant number of crimes committed with a firearm in this country. Why then are their sections in law that afford such sweeping powers to address a non-existential problem?

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act 12 New sections 74A and 74B inserted – New Zealand Legislation

The law is there for all to see, for those who care to read it.

Having read those two sections I now need to ask what the hell they said. Gobbledygook with a capital Gobble.