Thread: Super light thinking

Originally Posted by Tentman

I'm your first customer, happy to make a contribution to prototyping costs . . . . (I prefer a BM and stock to a chassis!)

Is be in line for a floorplate BM for the factory stock also

Originally Posted by Tentman

You've just described exactly what 22 and 6mm Creedmoor are . . .

Re-inventions of the wheel

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Re-inventions of the wheel

More like upgrades of the wheel.

Originally Posted by Northkiwi

Is there any reason a suppressor (or brake) could not be ported to direct gas upwards thereby reducing muzzle flip?

DpT are now making these!

A Montana in 243 or 6.5 creed would suit
I have a 708 and 243 and loved them both to bits
Suppressed 243 I can spot hits with some times but even then not allways when compromised by less than perfect position
I find the 708 stoaked up with 152gr bullets recoils quite a bit more but is a big step up in putdown performance
If you could get a fast twist 243 even better


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So what actual weight constitutes "Super Light" ?

All down to one's own idea of light I guess

But is super light sub 7 pounds all up with all its kit on and a full magazine ?

Similarly is Ultra Light sub 6 pounds ?

As a hunting rifle weights should include slings, stock packs, loaded magazine and anything like a bipod which while not on the rifle is still weight you are carrying anyway

Reason I ask is I've found myself adding weight to a couple of my modern rifles lately.
Twinn needle stock packs and risers to get a better sight picture.
Added some weight, bulk, 5 handy rounds and some other gear in there.

So a better sight picture and a bit more weight has meant I can see long range hits I couldn't previously.

Hmmmm - here are my definitions:

Medium weight = heavy enough to comfortably shoot reasonably powerful cartridges starting with the likes of 6.5/284, 270, 7mm RM, mostly carried on the sling or your pack.

Light weight = Carried 50/50 between your hand and shoulder

Super light = can carry it in your hand all day, biggest problem is forgetting to pick it up after a smoko break.

Originally Posted by Tentman

Hmmmm - here are my definitions:

Medium weight = heavy enough to comfortably shoot reasonably powerful cartridges starting with the likes of 6.5/284, 270, 7mm RM, mostly carried on the sling or your pack.

Light weight = Carried 50/50 between your hand and shoulder

Super light = can carry it in your hand all day, biggest problem is forgetting to pick it up after a smoko break.

Oh that's not much of an answer !

Put some numbers around it

Also that's a moving target because as you grow older the amount of time you can carry it in hand will diminish

I want real hard data to compare your modern bolt action rifles with my modern single shot break action rifles

In that case a std tikka T3 is super light and several other factory options make your criteria.

Pick your projectile, speed, case, scope and go at it.


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Originally Posted by Tentman

Hmmmm - here are my definitions:

Medium weight = heavy enough to comfortably shoot reasonably powerful cartridges starting with the likes of 6.5/284, 270, 7mm RM, mostly carried on the sling or your pack.

Light weight = Carried 50/50 between your hand and shoulder

Super light = can carry it in your hand all day, biggest problem is forgetting to pick it up after a smoko break.

The other problem with that is type or terrain, bush or open, day pack or overnight pact
Too many variable involved with on shoulder or in hand.

That's more a personal choice thing.
Some guys sling a rifle all the time.
Some guys carry in hand despite being on the steepest country where I need both hands and my teeth

Yep, I always carry in hand. The exception being when Ive shot something and have a load on, or are climbing a very steep face and need both hands.

Most of the time my rifle sling is wrapped around my waist like a belt.

Pretty hard to go past a Kimber for a superlight build. Mine is 2.8kg suppressed scoped and bullets in mag. 6.5 creedmoor and I can spot my shots shooting over the pack but not off the bipod.

Joy to carry in hand balances well and hardly notice it. Also very accurate. 300m gun for me though.

Originally Posted by Northkiwi

Is there any reason a suppressor (or brake) could not be ported to direct gas upwards thereby reducing muzzle flip?

Would it be better to be directed out at two points: either at the 10’oclock and 2o’clock positions or at the 11o’clock and 1o’clock positions?
Still provides downward force but dispersed into smaller flashes. Possibly more stability.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

Yep, I always carry in hand. The exception being when Ive shot something and have a load on, or are climbing a very steep face and need both hands.

Most of the time my rifle sling is wrapped around my waist like a belt.

Wish mine still fitted.