Thread: Suppressor effectiveness - Think about this!

Well, I guess my answer will have to be There is no definitive answer given the knowledge base available. You may well be right in your assumptions, who knows.

Have you seen that extensive NATO publication "Damage Risk from Impulse Noise"? If not, I can email it to you

Originally Posted by 6x47

Have you seen that extensive NATO publication "Damage Risk from Impulse Noise"? If not, I can email it to you

If this isn't it http://natorto.cbw.pl/uploads/2000/9/EN-011-$$ALL.PDF then yes, please email it.


Thanks for that info Tuukka. I have looked all over and can't find the article. Can you provide a link to the whole thing?

Originally Posted by ODL

If this isn't it http://natorto.cbw.pl/uploads/2000/9/EN-011-$$ALL.PDF then yes, please email it.


Thanks for that info Tuukka. I have looked all over and can't find the article. Can you provide a link to the whole thing?

Hi,

It was a Finnish language article, of which I made my own english translation, primarily to give to any of our distributors who were interested in it.

Regards!

Tuukka

Never underestimate a man's desire to fuss with a new gadget related to his hobby, or his need to justify it to those unfashionable enough to question it.

The amount of suppressed .223's I can beat the pants off ballistically with my standard length .222 nowadays is legion. I am going to call it a ".223 Express" now.

Cripes James - I started this thread to state the obvious in a subtle way, and now you've gone and kicked it round with hobnail boots!

LOL
Subtlety is lost on the kind of people who would cut the barrel of a Sako Vixen in half and then put a 'silencer' on it...

He who questions the need for a suppressor has never fired one with sub-sonics The goats don't even know they are being shot at. Obviously the goats at 450m are pretty safe!

I'd not question their use with subsonics or low pressure loads, I have one on a rifle I use to euthanase animals (amoungst other things) and its good for that, the folks whose horse/cattlebeast etc is being put down are not upset, and the neighbours don't know! Its not subsonic but only makes a soft "boommmff".

However in full power mode, the reduction is imperceptible to me at the blunt end, and as we found in the tests, makes next to no difference some distance away.

I don't drink Koolaid - no matter what sort of flavour or can it comes in!

Originally Posted by Tentman

However in full power mode, the reduction is imperceptible to me at the blunt end

Are you deaf already?

After reading through this I want to throw a thought out there. I use suppressors. I dont know how much they reduce noise but I do know that my ears rang after using a 30/06 without a suppressor and they dont ring after using it with the suppressor. It knocks the noise back considerably. As for recoil reduction, flinch and response to recoil are a physical reaction / anticipation of the shot. With the removed noise, the "felt" recoil is reduced dramaticly even if the actual "shove" from the rifle is not.

I also have a braked rifle and even though I know the recoil is reduced with the brake, the perception is that it still boots as bad due to the increase in noise.

Thus I have seen flinch stay the same with a brake as the increase in noise was enough to make the shooter think it kicked more.

I will not dispute that brakes reduce recoil better than a suppressor.
I will not dispute that suppressors reduce the noise significantly

However "Felt" recoil is affected by both factors. The impact (real recoil) from the shove and the noise (perceived recoil).


One of my hunting buddies is very wiry and lean and recoil from his 7mmo8 would leave him sore the next day after just 10 or 20 rounds down range. Added a suppressor and he was happy shooting my 30/06.

It may be of interest to know how much specifically the noise is reduced, but the important thing is that it IS reduced significantly.

As such I use suppressors. My own experience shows me that with a suppressor, I flinch less, my ears dont hurt afterwards and I am more accurate and comfortable. I like my ears working and the suppressor makes a difference. I like living somewhere where I have the option of using a suppressor and to option of what suppressor I want to use.

Well you have answered you own question somewhat... I think that you will find 4db is quite a difference. I know there is a definitely a perception difference to the neighbors where I shoot hares with the 17hmr. they can be anywhere from 50m away (yes to the side or behind) from shooting locations.

Christ this thread is like banging your head against a brick wall.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Christ this thread is like banging your head against a brick wall.

Solid or padded

Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

Solid or padded

Padded walls hold together better.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Padded walls hold together better.

That's because they "suppress" the "BANG"