Thread: Tauranga Deerstalkers range have banned MSSA's

Originally Posted by Tankd

As for Auckland being unhappy with rapid fire ,you can put that down to muppets who couldn't hit a barn from the inside .But can manage to hit target frames .i.e there are a lot of shooters who go there who really don't have a clue what they are doing . So unfortunately the lowest common denominator makes the rules.

This. Number of idiots I've seen blaze away for shits n giggles at Riverhead. Seems NZDA and most NZ ranges don't lend themselves to people who want to spray and pray (as seen on YouTube videos from the USA) but instead shoot more precision, accurate shooting/setup.

If the RO has no E endorsement then technically he cannot take control of said firearm should he require to.

In practise I would suggest any RO worth his salt will take charge of said rifle should he need to.

I know of similar rules for some ranges so not unusual

Our club has a number of RO's who hold E endorsements so there is no concern, however we have banned all firearms fitted with muzzle brakes mostly for the comfort of the other shooters present.

Simple answer is become a member, sit your RO's certificate, get your E endorsement and become part of the solution.

Cheers
Pete

That is incorrect, a mssa firearm can only be possesed by the person with the permit to procure. Even if the Ro has an e cat, they still don't have the permit to procure for that firearm.

I would hope common sense would prevail in any situation requiring an RO to take control of a firearm. There wouldnt be a court in the country that would convict an individual or a club for responsible firearm safety.

To be honest I suspect either knee jerk regional police or regional NZDA bull shit politics in force. Tauranga isnt exactly known for its firearm friendly enforcement management.

Originally Posted by FletchNZ

That is incorrect, a mssa firearm can only be possesed by the person with the permit to procure. Even if the Ro has an e cat, they still don't have the permit to procure for that firearm.

This is something I have asked an AO & I just want to try to clarify this wee point.

Absolutely technically speaking, according to the current law the only person who can use, fire, touch, handle, etc an "E" cat firearm is the person whos name is on the permit for that firearms serial number ?

Even if the "owner" of the "E" cat firearm is "right there" ?

The only "possible" exception could be some one with a Dealers licence ?

I don't care if "common sense" comes into play, what does the law say in plain English ?

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

This is something I have asked an AO & I just want to try to clarify this wee point.

Absolutely technically speaking, according to the current law the only person who can use, fire, touch, handle, etc an "E" cat firearm is the person whos name is on the permit for that firearms serial number ?

Even if the "owner" of the "E" cat firearm is "right there" ?

The only "possible" exception could be some one with a Dealers licence ?

I don't care if "common sense" comes into play, what does the law say in plain English ?

Greg

We all know the Law is an Ass.

But I believe you are correct.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

This is something I have asked an AO & I just want to try to clarify this wee point.

Absolutely technically speaking, according to the current law the only person who can use, fire, touch, handle, etc an "E" cat firearm is the person whos name is on the permit for that firearms serial number ?

Even if the "owner" of the "E" cat firearm is "right there" ?

The only "possible" exception could be some one with a Dealers licence ?

I don't care if "common sense" comes into play, what does the law say in plain English ?

I talked to one of their ROs today and this is correct, they want the police to sort it, you know two words that don't exist in NZ anymore are " logical" and " commonsense" thank the dick heads that run the work place Heath and safety schemes. It's spreading!!!

*Cough cough* that's 3 words Maca!

Fixed, sorry about that it wasn't logical to leave it so I showed some commonsense and changed it

Originally Posted by P38

however we have banned all firearms fitted with muzzle brakes mostly for the comfort of the other shooters present.

Pete, that's the best thing I've heard for a while

Was tempted to reply tongue in cheek this morning that we should rather ban friging muzzle brakes at ranges with top cover, they drive me round the bend

I'll go and hide in the naughty corner now, so KG cant find me, haha

Doesn't bother me shooting next to Greg and his assorted canons.
Don't you guys wear ear protection?

Yup, wear custom moulded plugs normally.

When there are brakes around I wear muffs on top of that.

It's the concussion wave that I find distracting, don't mind it in the open, but freaks me out under corrugated iron roof

Originally Posted by Digit

I would hope common sense would prevail in any situation requiring an RO to take control of a firearm. There wouldnt be a court in the country that would convict an individual or a club for responsible firearm safety.

I would hope that you're right, but I'm not so sure these days unfortunately.

Originally Posted by ebf

Pete, that's the best thing I've heard for a while

Was tempted to reply tongue in cheek this morning that we should rather ban friging muzzle brakes at ranges with top cover, they drive me round the bend

I'll go and hide in the naughty corner now, so KG cant find me, haha

You wouldn't like my noisy 300 win mag then ebf.

Originally Posted by FletchNZ

That is incorrect, a mssa firearm can only be possesed by the person with the permit to procure. Even if the Ro has an e cat, they still don't have the permit to procure for that firearm.

!00% correct BUT thing most people incorrectly believe that if you have an E endorsement you can use any E cat firearm. Not realising you can only handle, operate, or have in your posetion ONLY those which you have listed against your Endorsement via a Permit to Procure.