Thread: Tops Gun Advice

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Excuse the ignorance, but why not? What if you're bush hunting? Can't use a brake in that scenario

Remmag dosnt make enough recoil for most people not to be able to put a few shots through and as they say if your pointing it an an animal you wont feel it.

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There is a nice forbes in 280ai on TM

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Excuse the ignorance, but why not? What if you're bush hunting? Can't use a brake in that scenario

I've got a nice bushpig that I use for bush hunting and am confident with to 300m so not overly concerned with that scenario.

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Excuse the ignorance, but why not? What if you're bush hunting? Can't use a brake in that scenario

They're long and cumbersome and upset the balance of a decent tops rifle, you need to sacrifice barrel length to balance the rifle.

On the tips there should be enough time to put ear plugs etc on if you care about your hearing.

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@Dorkus - pity you're not a lefty mate I've just decided to sell my Tikka 7mmRM - all tarted up and still light enough to heft around the Fiordland wilds where she went real well, and she's a shooter to boot!! (i.e same ragged hole on paper with the std factory barrel)

Just - FYI if you do go down the road of Tikka for a lightweight option - factor in a couple of items that massively make a difference in how well it shoots.
- Stock bedding/stabilisation for existing stock -mandatory in my opinion
- A Yo Dave trigger spring - turns a heavy factory trigger into a Timney for very few bucks - IMHO Mandatory
- Lightweight supressor (mine a Gen 4 Hardy) and or T2 brake. either/or both!
- re-tapp the metric shitty tikka 3.5mm reciver holes for M4's -optional
- a Decent picatinney rail to provide rigidity on top for your optics ! increased the options around rings and tightened everything up nicely
- Decent Limbsaver airtech butt pad. Made it easier for others to shoot it and also made it a pussycat on the range that even @30calterry 's youngest was firing it no problem at all.

The Lite barrel - It will give you 3 shots - before there is POI change due to heat suppressor on... then you need to rest it to cool down...

I'm going the other way a wee bit Heavier and up cal.

A t3 in 280ai is a good option, it's what I run

I have a sako A7 in 7mm rem mag, has a brake and suppressor option, tallie rings that I am thinking about selling if that was of interest

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It's that last 100m of airtime that need all the hardware.

Restrict yourself to 400m shots, learn to climb and you will be OK with an 8lb 3006.

Buy the tikka man. Even without getting a fancy carbon stock you'll be saving a heap of weight over the 70. They shoot fine in the crappy plastic. Those superlights are like 6lb flat aren't they?

Or ditch the can for a brake and throw a carbon stock on the winny.

Originally Posted by gimp

You can say “shit” here if you want. We all know what you mean.

I was just trying to be less of an old fart . . . . practising my txt talk - not!

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Excuse the ignorance, but why not? What if you're bush hunting? Can't use a brake in that scenario

We are talking a tops rifle here

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Excuse the ignorance, but why not? What if you're bush hunting? Can't use a brake in that scenario

@hotsoup

I think @stug was baiting someone, someone who did not take the bait.

Originally Posted by 223nut

Just stick with the set up you have and try loosing weight elsewhere. I'm guilty of carrying to much round my waist, cheaper to lose it there than upgrading my gear...

@223nut, you are a genius!

The other option is to get a Movie Rifle(TM). Movie Rifles will kill anything, at any distance, weigh very little, and fold away to nothing. Question is though, can you afford one?



BTW, I want that gun.

Nope, not baiting anyone. I've had two different 7mm mags. One weighed 9.5lb it was easy to shoot and I could spot my shots past 300yds with it. No suppressor or brake on it. My second one was more like 7.5lb I couldn't spot my shots with that, but I didn't find the recoil unbearable.
I suggested not using the suppressor because he is trying to knock weight off his rifle. It would be the easiest and cheapest way to remove weight.

yep, my experience same as @stug's. Recoil on unbraked or non suppressed 7mmRM is very manageable, especially if you're not a 8 stone featherweight. I have had 2 7mm RMs - one 24in bbl in B&C stock the other 26 in bbl in CF stock. Both weighed in at ~9 lbs with scope, rings etc.
Got several light weight "tops 7mms" - 280AI , 284 and SAUM that weigh in at 5.5 - 6 lbs bare rifle. All shot without brake or suppressor for load dev and I've found the recoil manageable. 280AI without brake kicks a bit but its got a super thin recoil pad and always have the option to carry the brake or suppressor if needed on the tops. I could lose some further weight if I went to bolt fluting etc but have not gone that far.

With your current set up you could lose a fair bit of weight by going to a CF stock and not running the suppressor.
As other have stated overall balance also important along with weight and length.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

yep, my experience same as @stug's. Recoil on unbraked or non suppressed 7mmRM is very manageable, especially if you're not a 8 stone featherweight. I have had 2 7mm RMs - one 24in bbl in B&C stock the other 26 in bbl in CF stock. Both weighed in at ~9 lbs with scope, rings etc.
Got several light weight "tops 7mms" - 280AI , 284 and SAUM that weigh in at 5.5 - 6 lbs bare rifle. All shot without brake or suppressor for load dev and I've found the recoil manageable. 280AI without brake kicks a bit but its got a super thin recoil pad and always have the option to carry the brake or suppressor if needed on the tops. I could lose some further weight if I went to bolt fluting etc but have not gone that far.

With your current set up you could lose a fair bit of weight by going to a CF stock and not running the suppressor.
As other have stated overall balance also important along with weight and length.

After taking heaps of advice onboard, and noting weight is the only thing I don't love about my current tops rifle, I am set on a new path that I think will work out well. My rifle is a shooter that weighs too much for me to enjoy shooting it (actually it's the carrying that's the problem) so it is going on a diet...
- Getting the action milled to lighten it up a bit (won't be as light as a tikka action but shouldn't be too much heavier).
- Suppressor is staying at home
- Stug is going to make me a CF stock using his T3 mould and some custom inletting to make the M70 look at home in a new skirt.