Thread: Unscientific comparision, HDB, EL & Zeiss Rangefinding binos

Reading between the lines I think they may have been delayed due to trouble with the range finder. They seem to have it well sorted now tho.

Originally Posted by L.R

Reading between the lines I think they may have been delayed due to trouble with the range finder. They seem to have it well sorted now tho.

I "heard" something similar IIRC, ranging issues or changing ballistic software or both.

They appear to be "gated" I can't get past 2068-2070 yards, like the PLRF10 to 2990 & the G7, the Terrapin doesn't appear to be with big reflective targets out past 4000

I just discovered what appears to me to be a serious problem with these, unless I'm doing something wrong ?

I have just loaded the Micro SD card & tried it out.

The ballistic solution given in the Binos is either full moa or 1/3, 1/4 moa as clicks, on the computer is comes up as normal before it is loaded onto the card

How bloody embarrassing for Leica, with all the ballistic programs I have used, the dial up is expressed in moa ie 14.7 not 59 clicks

FFS trying to do the maths in the field, seriously....

They use the G7 solution, that's available in normal moa value ????

Did they not ask anyone that actually uses this stuff ?

Going to have to seriously brush up on my 4 times tables & division....

Absolutely unbelievable.......I feel a phone call coming tomorrow.

Hopefully there will be a software update available that can be put into the binos via the card to sort this frankly crazy situation, too wait all this time to have this happen.

Can't fault their ranging abilities, shame the glass isn't as good as Swaros in low light.

Extremely disappointed with the ballistic program..........

Have you RTFM ?

LOL yes VC I have "read the fucking manual" several times even, & it has been mentioned on other forums....

The confusing bit is the computer shows the values properly before you stick the data on the card....

Don't NXS scopes dial systems work off a MOA turret? Be handy for them if so!

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

Don't NXS scopes dial systems work off a MOA turret? Be handy for them if so!

Don't know about you but my 4 x division sucks & counting 50+ clicks is just f--king stupid when you haven't got all day to make the shot........

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Don't know about you but my 4 x division sucks & counting 50+ clicks is just f--king stupid when you haven't got all day to make the shot........

Just another reason why you should leave the dark ages behind and join the mil revolution Greg... :p

1 in HD-B's = 1 click and so on...

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Originally Posted by The Claw

Just another reason why you should leave the dark ages behind and join the mil revolution Greg... :p

1 in HD-B's = 1 click and so on...

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Yep still a dinosaur Sam

I could change to Mil but not interested in changing all my dial scopes

Leica just need to get their shit together in the software department.......

Thought about changing the turrets to your ballistic curve and then simply dialing in the range? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igmIslhusgs

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Thought about changing the turrets to your ballistic curve and then simply dialing in the range? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igmIslhusgs

The change of conditions would limit the effectiveness of that method, for me ie going from 30 inhg to 25 inhg does make a difference to trajectory.

I would have a bit of work to do I have several dial scopes

KG, did you test the HD-Bs maximum range in meters? I had mine out for the first time last night and got a reading of 2067m. I haven't validated that measurement but a quick check on the map would support it. I thought they were gated to around 1825m.

Originally Posted by karearea

KG, did you test the HD-Bs maximum range in meters? I had mine out for the first time last night and got a reading of 2067m. I haven't validated that measurement but a quick check on the map would support it. I thought they were gated to around 1825m.

I use mine in metres and have had readings in excess of 2km. I also have a small hedge that happens to be exactly 2,000m from my deck that I can get consistent readings on, so ranges in excess of 2km should be the norm I would say? Talking to Lacklands yesterday, said they had delivered 25 pairs this month, so there are a few starting to get out there...

Thanks TC, I thought maybe mine were "faulty", in a good way.

How have you guys found them to range in bright light on non-reflective targets ?

Apparently they are worse than the 1600B.......

Certainly not my experience & can get beyond 15-1700 on normal objects relatively easily

Easily out to 2068-70 yards were they stop, in favourable conditions.