Thread: WE LOST

Treat normal people like criminals and eventually they'll lose enough respect for the law/courts/police, that they'll decide they may as well be. These shiny arsed fuckwits in Wellington aren't as clever as they think.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

MSSAs effected by the ruling and unable to be modified to be over 762mm will become restricted C Cat firearms, as they aren’t approved pistols, even if you have the B pistol endorsement.

sounds like a bunch of free c endorsements will be given out.

The thing is though is say for example you have a pump shotgun with a 20" barrel and a folding stock.

This means your in the shit.

If you have a chassis Bolt rifle in 300 Blackout with a 12inch barrel and it's a side folder.

Guess what? Your in the shit.

This won't just affect E+B Mark my words.

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

The thing is though is say for example you have a pump shotgun with a 20" barrel and a folding stock.

This means your in the shit.

If you have a chassis Bolt rifle in 300 Blackout with a 12inch barrel and it's a side folder.

Guess what? Your in the shit.

This won't just affect E+B Mark my words.

we dont have the full rulling yet so lets wait to see what it says- but if poorly worded even prake action guns could be affected, my side my completly factory side by side is under 30" end to end when broken open

Exactly my point Res and once I again I find myself agreeing with you :-)

Originally Posted by res

not when for a number of years THE COPS TOLD US(and let us import) E cat guns could be under that length when folded. Nothing to do with this has anything to do with if the gun can shoot in its shorter state

Ahem, @res... methinks I hear ye ghostly echo of @ryancairns and his "verily-no-firearm-that-copper-saith-so!" pinfire import saga.

Break-open guns are irrelevant, the key word is "break". It can not be fired in its broken-open state.

NZ Police are of course at fault, what with changing lines of advice etc. etc. don't get me wrong on this, but still, here is my legal opinion on the merits of the court case:



Only outstanding question is, why does this make me think of @gadgetman?

Originally Posted by Cordite

Ahem, @res... methinks I hear ye ghostly echo of @ryancairns and his "verily-no-firearm-that-copper-saith-so!" pinfire import saga.

HaHaHa Ha, I can see where your coming from but there is worlds of diferance (at least in my mind) between published police policy with decades of import permits issued and a one off conversaion.

Break-open guns are irrelevant, the key word is "break". It can not be fired in its broken-open state.

nore can lots of guns with folding stocks-including one version of the test gun in this case. I very much hope your right though-but dont think its a given. We really need to wait for more info.

NZ Police are of course at fault, what with changing lines of advice etc. etc. don't get me wrong on this, but still, here is my legal opinion on the merits of the court case:

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Only outstanding question is, why does this make me think of @gadgetman?

go go gadget legs?

end of the day I dont really care how this case plays out as long as we end up with a clear way fwd- Ill weild some stocks and replace parts on some others and it will only leave me with one rifle that will have to become C or preferably B, as long as no stupid wording catches other stuff out

Originally Posted by akaroa1

Wow that made me go straight out and check !
I'm only just legal on one rifle by 10mm

10mm?
Those are rookie numbers! You need to work on those.
My 14.5” barrelled AR is 763mm OAL (to the muzzle) with the carbine stock collapsed. Now we are talking.

Just a thought along the lines of rifling that was mentioned back a page our so ago.
Shot guns don't in general have any rifling ummmmmm so where's that leave you if you say brought one of those Sarga (sorry not sure of spelling) shotguns that look like a AK?
Be interesting to see what this final wording is in this court case but my guess is we will be taking it high up our it will go to appeal.

Exactly.
NZPHQ have flip flopped from refusing to include permanently attached muzzle devices to something that cannot be removed by hand and back again. Hence the court case.

Originally Posted by res

we can only hope, for most people pnz would have to get on board

and

Seriously

Originally Posted by mikee

and

Seriously

there are some pistol clubs that are not part of pistol new zealand so for there members getting a pinky for something(recatagrized former E cat) on the pistol new zealand list would be more strait fwd

[QUOTE=Carlsen Highway;766446]Reducing it to parts by dissembling your 10/22 it doesnt count. But constructing it to be under 762mm and using it that way counts. Intentions count.

How do you know that?

Originally Posted by res

go go gadget legs?

end of the day I dont really care how this case plays out as long as we end up with a clear way fwd- Ill weild some stocks and replace parts on some others and it will only leave me with one rifle that will have to become C or preferably B, as long as no stupid wording catches other stuff out

What makes you think that PNZ will classify it as an approved pistol?
What makes you think your arms officer will give you permission to keep it on your B license?

Originally Posted by marky123

What makes you think that PNZ will classify it as an approved pistol?
What makes you think your arms officer will give you permission to keep it on your B license?

nothing and nothing-but I cant see how they could say no to C, as I seem to have to keep saying- we just have to wait for more info.