Thread: 15 minute season

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

is it normal to shoot young bulls in Canada? don't you guys want a 50"x50"? The wap foundation are always encouraging hunters to let young bulls grow until a good 8 years old or so.

4 y/o seems very young although since it is a seasonal tag I can see why you'd shoot one

Always nice to shoot the biggest but if a bull has a minimum of six points it's legal, this is the first bull my son has shot in 10 years and was mainly a freezer filler, cow elk are off the menu so no option of meat there.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

As we can see, your sons head doesn't fit with either the Rocky's or Roosevelts. Rockys have longer beams and cleaner tynes. Sons bull has ridging on the beam and the beam is not round. The T5 tynes shape are not typical of Rocky's T5's.
Also the Roosevelt's Elk tend to have proportionately better trey's and often have Double Daggers like many of our Fiordland animals.
I still pick it as a hybrid Rocky / Roosevelt cross. In the '90s I did a big fencing job for a Roosevelt Elk stud on the Washington / Idaho border so got to see plenty

Once again this is a young bull and as it ages the tines will change, I have seen pictures of Bulls shot on this property with dagger points as long as my forearm and double dagger. The treys in this area are always shorter than others I have seen even on older 50 inch bulls ,as you can see even though it is young it is starting to show the throwback of the RM Elk and not clustering of the tops like the R Elk.
You need to have a read up of the distributation of Roosevelt Elk put out by Environment Canada, I think they would know more than you or I.

Originally Posted by Mooseman

Once again this is a young bull and as it ages the tines will change, I have seen pictures of Bulls shot on this property with dagger points as long as my forearm and double dagger. The treys in this area are always shorter than others I have seen even on older 50 inch bulls ,as you can see even though it is young it is starting to show the throwback of the RM Elk and not clustering of the tops like the R Elk.
You need to have a read up of the distributation of Roosevelt Elk put out by Environment Canada, I think they would know more than you or I.

Rockys are not native to the Pacific coast, they are introduced. Given time the Roos will be moving back through their original range - they are adapted to it. Considering the time from when Rockys were introduced into Washington and other areas along the coastal states in the US it is highly probable that there will now be hybrids. If there are bulls with double daggers on the same property that is an almost certain prooof of Roo blood as Double daggers are very rare in Rockys. First photo is a bull of mine as a two year old. Second photo, same bull at nine. This bull has some Fiordland blood and shows the double dagger form but modified with some Red blood in him too.

This discussion is going nowhere, you have your perceived ideas, I and my son will go with the facts and information the Canada government put out regarding the areas these elk live in, as it stands they are RM Elk in this area with about zero chance of hybridisation.
If you want a Roosvelt draw a LE Tag for Vancouver Island.

Originally Posted by ripped undies

Was the blind they used on the ground or up in a tree?

It's a ground one, they used an excavator to dig out an area then laid logs around it for cover and good shooting rests.

Wow lots of timber there!!

Originally Posted by Mooseman

This discussion is going nowhere, you have your perceived ideas, I and my son will go with the facts and information the Canada government put out regarding the areas these elk live in, as it stands they are RM Elk in this area with about zero chance of hybridisation.
If you want a Roosvelt draw a LE Tag for Vancouver Island.

I did not want to argue about your sons bull and appologise if I have come across that way. Because I farm Elk I and have worked with them in the US and Alberta I have a genuine interest in them. Your Sons recent bull has a very unusual head to my eye and that is what pricked my interest. As well, the body is unusual for a Rocky.
Back to the head, the right antler esp actually reminds me of Manitoban elk blood. The most obvious non Rocky form is the Dagger has some bumps and is flattened.
What area is your son hunting in BC - nearest town ?

Jesus what a big animal.
Even quartering it would be too hravy for mu fucked knees and back.
Love to see a pic of the back straps and the weight

[QUOTE=Moa Hunter;1225001]I did not want to argue about your sons bull and appologise if I have come across that way. Because I farm Elk I and have worked with them in the US and Alberta I have a genuine interest in them. Your Sons recent bull has a very unusual head to my eye and that is what pricked my interest. As well, the body is unusual for a Rocky.
Back to the head, the right antler esp actually reminds me of Manitoban elk blood. The most obvious non Rocky form is the Dagger has some bumps and is flattened.
What area is your son hunting in BC - nearest town ?[/QUOTE

Thanks for that, I can see by your farm animals you have a interest in them. That is one reason my son won't post stuff as a rule on forums as sometimes people get a bit carried away. Anyway when I get my computer back from the shop I can post pics of other Bulls shot on the property, come to think of it there is apicture on this I pad I will post.
The area is Princeton a couple of hours north of the US border.

The picture of this bull was shot by the sons then neighbour on the same property but about 10 kms from the spot the son shot his. I have on my computer a picture of a nice bull about 50 inch long shot off the same field as the sons , and it from memory has the same colouration and had been wallowing probably in the same wallow. I will post when I can.

Note the daggers on this bull aren't flattened so maybe it was just the way his bull grew this year.

Originally Posted by Hornady ELDX

Jesus what a big animal.
Even quartering it would be too hravy for mu fucked knees and back.
Love to see a pic of the back straps and the weight

b

Being on a ranch they picked the animal up with a tractor then skinned and quartered it before going in chiller. He has the meat back now and filled his freezer, it went 560 pounds on the hook, they still work in pounds etc in a lot of things. Not sure but you could add another third onto that for the skin, guts hocks ,head etc so live weight about 850 pounds maybe?

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I did not want to argue about your sons bull and appologise if I have come across that way. Because I farm Elk I and have worked with them in the US and Alberta I have a genuine interest in them. Your Sons recent bull has a very unusual head to my eye and that is what pricked my interest. As well, the body is unusual for a Rocky.
Back to the head, the right antler esp actually reminds me of Manitoban elk blood. The most obvious non Rocky form is the Dagger has some bumps and is flattened.
What area is your son hunting in BC - nearest town ?[/QUOTE

Thanks for that, I can see by your farm animals you have a interest in them. That is one reason my son won't post stuff as a rule on forums as sometimes people get a bit carried away. Anyway when I get my computer back from the shop I can post pics of other Bulls shot on the property, come to think of it there is apicture on this I pad I will post.
The area is Princeton a couple of hours north of the US border.Attachment 179319

The picture of this bull was shot by the sons then neighbour on the same property but about 10 kms from the spot the son shot his. I have on my computer a picture of a nice bull about 50 inch long shot off the same field as the sons , and it from memory has the same colouration and had been wallowing probably in the same wallow. I will post when I can.

Just looked it up and there was a release of Manitoban Elk in 1948 in the Lardeau river. So from Princeton going East on highway 3. all the heads posted are solid beams and good heavy framed animals.

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Originally Posted by Mooseman

Just looked it up and there was a release of Manitoban Elk in 1948 in the Lardeau river. So from Princeton going East on highway 3. all the heads posted are solid beams and good heavy framed animals.

The Lardeau River isn't anywhere near Princeton but in the Kootneys a long way east . I doubt that release would influence the Princton elk.

Very big heads, it was a god read also.

This is another bull taken on the same property by son old neighbours son in law, that's a very nice bull.