Thread: Climate

Originally Posted by Tahr

History has shown that the over use of this term (above) is a reliable indicator.

Well that’s your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.

Tahr..

I am not satisfied that the numbers of fires, the numbers of tornados, the numbers of natural disasters, the numbers of deaths from any or all has at all increased.

I suggest you read Steven Pinker's book called "Enlightenment Now" as a study into the role that sensationalist media has had in promoting the perception of doom and gloom across the board in all areas of our lives. The distortion between reality and what is perception across all manner of KPI is unlikely to not have had a similar effect in the area of the climate debate.

There are always issues. But as Pinker illuminates over the last 70 years most of the human experience has improved markedly to a factor of about 10 fold on what the reality was 70 years ago and yet the perception today is almost the complete inverse.

There are no more tornados, hurricanes, fires and flooding than were have ever been. There are less deaths from natural disasters currently than in the past 5-7 decades. The sea is not lapping at our doorsteps unless it always did. Fires might be more intense due to more availability of fuel on our greener planet - (a combination of a retarded bureaucracy not allowing fuel removal from populated areas and increased plant material from a reduction in wood burning, and increased CO2), but the actual number of fires is no more significant.

Watch that all change when they stop coal. Currently we have more trees on the planet than at any time in the last 200 years. Great fuel when you can't dig coal.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Tahr..

I am not satisfied that the numbers of fires, the numbers of tornados, the numbers of natural disasters, the numbers of deaths from any or all has at all increased.

I suggest you read Steven Pinker's book called "Enlightenment Now" as a study into the role that sensationalist media has had in promoting the perception of doom and gloom across the board in all areas of our lives. The distortion between reality and what is perception across all manner of KPI is unlikely to not have had a similar effect in the area of the climate debate.

There are always issues. But as Pinker illuminates over the last 70 years most of the human experience has improved markedly to a factor of about 10 fold on what the reality was 70 years ago and yet the perception today is almost the complete inverse.

There are no more tornados, hurricanes, fires and flooding than were have ever been. There are less deaths from natural disasters currently than in the past 5-7 decades. The sea is not lapping at our doorsteps unless it always did. Fires might be more intense due to more availability of fuel on our greener planet - (a combination of a retarded bureaucracy not allowing fuel removal from populated areas and increased plant material from a reduction in wood burning, and increased CO2), but the actual number of fires is no more significant.

Watch that all change when they stop coal. Currently we have more trees on the planet than at any time in the last 200 years. Great fuel when you can't dig coal.

Cripes, it will take the rest of my life to fact check all of that I will look at Pinkers' book. It might be the therapy I need.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Cripes, it will take the rest of my life to fact check all of that I will look at Pinkers' book. It might be the therapy I need.

You may wish to continue to live. That'll depress ya...

Originally Posted by Sidney

You may wish to continue to live. That'll depress ya...

Bugger.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Tahr..

I am not satisfied that the numbers of fires, the numbers of tornados, the numbers of natural disasters, the numbers of deaths from any or all has at all increased.

I suggest you read Steven Pinker's book called "Enlightenment Now" as a study into the role that sensationalist media has had in promoting the perception of doom and gloom across the board in all areas of our lives. The distortion between reality and what is perception across all manner of KPI is unlikely to not have had a similar effect in the area of the climate debate.

There are always issues. But as Pinker illuminates over the last 70 years most of the human experience has improved markedly to a factor of about 10 fold on what the reality was 70 years ago and yet the perception today is almost the complete inverse.

There are no more tornados, hurricanes, fires and flooding than were have ever been. There are less deaths from natural disasters currently than in the past 5-7 decades. The sea is not lapping at our doorsteps unless it always did. Fires might be more intense due to more availability of fuel on our greener planet - (a combination of a retarded bureaucracy not allowing fuel removal from populated areas and increased plant material from a reduction in wood burning, and increased CO2), but the actual number of fires is no more significant.

Watch that all change when they stop coal. Currently we have more trees on the planet than at any time in the last 200 years. Great fuel when you can't dig coal.

One tiny example: Somewhere in youtube land a couple of months ago I watched an article where the BBC weather presenter was talking up the apocalypse, pointing to all the 'extreme' temperatures all over Europe, and the colours of red and purple had been daubed all over the areas of 'extreme' temperature.

Some enterprising soul dragged up the BBC's weather presentation back in the early 00's of the same calendar period of hot European summer, with all the colours benign, and many of the temperatures showing 1 to 2 degrees HOTTER than the temps being quoted as extreme for this season.

Originally Posted by XR500

One tiny example: Somewhere in youtube land a couple of months ago I watched an article where the BBC weather presenter was talking up the apocalypse, pointing to all the 'extreme' temperatures all over Europe, and the colours of red and purple had been daubed all over the areas of 'extreme' temperature.

Some enterprising soul dragged up the BBC's weather presentation back in the early 00's of the same cause lendar period of hot European summer, with all the colours benign, and many of the temperatures showing 1 to 2 degrees HOTTER than the temps being quoted as extreme for this season.

Did you hear all the lies about the climate on TV1 news tonight!! They were contradicting the NZHS experts left right and centre. Ive put in a complaint to the Tribunal and want you XR500 and Sidney to appear as expert witnesses for me. Bring your YouTube links and books with you

Originally Posted by Tahr

Did you hear all the lies about the climate on TV1 news tonight!! They were contradicting the NZHS experts left right and centre. Ive put in a complaint to the Tribunal and want you XR500 and Sidney to appear as expert witnesses for me. Bring your YouTube links and books with you

Tahr your the first to point out someone is being bit of a dick...just saying

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Originally Posted by BRADS

Tahr your the first to point out someone is being bit of a dick...just saying

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Very valid point.

How many carbon credits does tonga have to buy to compensate the world for its volcano eruption

Originally Posted by blip

How many carbon credits does tonga have to buy to compensate the world for its volcano eruption

It had quite an impact, https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/ton...o-stratosphere

This is entertaining, he gets to climate change around the 2 1\2 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJdqJu-6ZPo

I remember Tahr making a comment about the Labour Party saying they will be in for 3 terms so we may as well get used to it!. People have opinions, doesn’t mean they are right, no matter how many fancy words they use.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

I remember Tahr making a comment about the Labour Party saying they will be in for 3 terms so we may as well get used to it!. People have opinions, doesn’t mean they are right, no matter how many fancy words they use.

You might recall too that I qualified it by saying so long as Jacinda maintained her shine. That never happened. Words do matter.

Originally Posted by Tahr

You might recall too that I qualified it by saying so long as Jacinda maintained her shine. That never happened. Words matter.

Not sure about that part mate..

TV1??? Whats that??? Haven't owned a TV for the last 7 or 8 years.

All I'll say is Ronald Reagan is my favourite President of the USA, for his stance on Governments. And the institutions run by the Governments.

His quote:

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are" [ " I'm from the Government and I'm here to help"]