Thread: Climate

Greta Thunberg will save us.

Received a high of 7`C on Thursday, the warming period must be over. Not a mention on TV, if it had been 32`C in summer would have made headlines of a heatwave. Selective reporting?

Well here is how I look at it, I ask myself which group [of scientists not individuals] probably and i use probably because I dont know 100% has the most knowledge on climate change... Is it companies like British Petroleum , or someone connected to the oil industry probably not.. is Greta Thunberg or Al Gore probably not. So my search led me to NASA, now NASA are an independent organisation funded out of the US govt budget, I know of no other organisation that has more technology here on Earth or up in space that can match what NASA has.

What do NASA say ...

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

well,I suggest you manmade climate changers and others who are happy to follow the narrative and surrender critical thought
Best get the repeats on ya valium script and hang on to ya hats coz I think you're gonna be in for a rough ride.
It's ok to research outside of the narrative and make up your own mind
So many things happening all around us that make no sense but people still try to find excuses to justify nonsense as evidenced by the last 6 years in NZ.
tahr once again illustrates the gullibility and apathy of the general non thinkers.
His solution is to absolve responsibility for doing anything by making it someone elses problem and opting out by dying.
Easier than asking questions and finding uncomfortable answers.
we are in our current predicament because people refuse to take responsibilty for themselves and expect some one to do everything for them,including thinking.
We take no personal responsibility for our informed consent,health,food supply,energy,freedom....
Just let someone else tell us
No such thing as coincidences people

Originally Posted by Lurch

tahr once again illustrates the gullibility and apathy of the general non thinkers.
His solution is to absolve responsibility for doing anything by making it someone elses problem and opting out by dying.
Easier than asking questions and finding uncomfortable answers.

right you self rightious pompus prick.......if and when you can give our man another opting out option..EG give us a way NOT TO DIE ..you will have the right to condemn someone else for doing so..but then you of course will be playing GOD......
just because you dont agree with folks doesnt mean they are wrong
you throughout this entire thread have been chucking insults at folks..enough is enough play the ball and not the man.
and lets see some real world numbers and figures..not crack pot loony tune hooch smoking dream talking please???
the world is changing,it always has and always will... the science community taught us a bout ice ages and dinosaurs walking around then dying out becuase of something changing...no body thought to tax the way out of that!!!!! no body was making electric cars to save burning coal when the power companies are burning coal to make the power.....
here in south canterbury less than 2 decades ago we saw a huge snowdump and folks freezing in houses as they had replaced fires wit hheatpumps..heatpumps dont work without electricity..neither do pellet fires....yet councils still pushed ahead with removing fires.
we have huge amounts of carbon forestry that is now CAUSING issues to the enviroment when flooding happens..so lets get proactive about it and utilize the slash...cut it into rings and dump it in towns n cities for people to burn to keep warm..who will pay??the taxpayer is already so no difference except that way there will be some positive outcome.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

right you self rightious pompus prick.......if and when you can give our man another opting out option..EG give us a way NOT TO DIE ..you will have the right to condemn someone else for doing so..but then you of course will be playing GOD......
just because you dont agree with folks doesnt mean they are wrong
you throughout this entire thread have been chucking insults at folks..enough is enough play the ball and not the man.
and lets see some real world numbers and figures..not crack pot loony tune hooch smoking dream talking please???
the world is changing,it always has and always will... the science community taught us a bout ice ages and dinosaurs walking around then dying out becuase of something changing...no body thought to tax the way out of that!!!!! no body was making electric cars to save burning coal when the power companies are burning coal to make the power.....
here in south canterbury less than 2 decades ago we saw a huge snowdump and folks freezing in houses as they had replaced fires wit hheatpumps..heatpumps dont work without electricity..neither do pellet fires....yet councils still pushed ahead with removing fires.
we have huge amounts of carbon forestry that is now CAUSING issues to the enviroment when flooding happens..so lets get proactive about it and utilize the slash...cut it into rings and dump it in towns n cities for people to burn to keep warm..who will pay??the taxpayer is already so no difference except that way there will be some positive outcome.

MD with respect, I am sure that Tahr is fully capable of defending his own position with science should he wish to. Your other points make good sense but dont fit with the media driven narrative that does not understand short cycle carbon

Well it is different to what we have experienced in my 50+ years living CNI.
No runs of frosts for awhile.
Cloudier winter days.
No sun to warm up during the day.
Burning more wood.
Wood that is a bit damper as we had a wet summer.
The land use change appears to have made a big difference here.
Literally thousands of hectares from trees both cutover native and pines into grass.
Mate worked on block by the Pouakani Totara and records show it went from summer safe to drier.
Just have to work around it we don't have much choice.

On the topic of how Climate will affect hunting I have the following thoughts:
In areas with sufficient scope to move, such as we have in the South Island along the main divide, animals already migrate back and forth in seasonal patterns.
As I write this I know that the deer and chamois from the Harper Avoca, the kowhia and Craigiburn have for the most all ( certainly hinds)migrated to the West Coast for the winter. The pigs around the Inland Kaikoura road / Hossack have migrated to coastal Cheviot as a further example.
In extreme droughts or extreme wet periods now and into the future I see the animals moving and responding to these potential extremes. In landlocked areas with only one climate exposure it is likely that animals will abandon those sites and not return.

indeed he is..LURCH came here,we went for a hunt...all good..Im pointing out he is being a sod...weather or not he chooses to pull his head in is up to him.
at present the last 10 posts he has made read like a looney tune. time to stop and think about life.
life is better than the alternative....drop all the negativaty and that warm sunshine on your back is pleasant,keep it and its trying to get you via melanoma

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

indeed he is..LURCH came here,we went for a hunt...all good..Im pointing out he is being a sod...weather or not he chooses to pull his head in is up to him.
at present the last 10 posts he has made read like a looney tune. time to stop and think about life.
life is better than the alternative....drop all the negativaty and that warm sunshine on your back is pleasant,keep it and its trying to get you via melanoma

And yet post #63 dismisses any opinion that challenges the accepted narrative as a conspiracy theorist.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

And yet post #63 dismisses any opinion that challenges the accepted narrative as a conspiracy theorist.

Not dismisses any opinion. I said that a reliable indicator of a conspiracy theorist is the use of the term "current narrative" (as a pejorative term).
"Follow the money" can also be added as an indicator.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Not dismisses any opinion. I said that a reliable indicator of a conspiracy theorist is the use of the term "current narrative" (as a pejorative term).
"Follow the money" can also be added as an indicator.

A conspiracy theorist if they have a different view to yours.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

A conspiracy theorist if they have a different view to yours.

depends on if "yours " includes a tinfoil hat does it not????

because if you look at it from far enough away.....believing someone has a conspiracy is conspiracy in and of itself.

thus its just easier to say someone is talking a load of utter bullshit and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

A conspiracy theorist if they have a different view to yours.

Using MD's "utter bullshit" definition, yes, quite likely.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Not dismisses any opinion. I said that a reliable indicator of a conspiracy theorist is the use of the term "current narrative" (as a pejorative term).
"Follow the money" can also be added as an indicator.

I disagree, proving the persons position is incorrect and that an alternate position is correct is the only way to progress a discussion and to collectively learn. Creating derogatory references proves nothing of value. Along with 'Conspiracy Theorist' the term 'Antivaxer' is another example of terms created to discredit. This type of reference is what gets these threads along with useful information banned
In my recent writings to Greenpeace regarding their anti farming stance, I have not called them Lemmings, Sheep, Lackey's or Cool Aid sippers. Using such terms would not promote any worthwhile exchange.

I remember here in the forum in a banned thread being branded an 'antivaxer' for a post in Feb 2020 where I stated that ' No effective vaccine will be found for C19' 'We know this because there have already been cases of patients fully recovered becoming re-infected in Japan. This shows us that if natural infection does not create immunity then it is impossible for a vaccine to produce immunity' No one challenged my science, which time and nature has shown to be correct