Thread: Dumped 17 pointer

Originally Posted by GWH

I have had the pleasure of accompaning Tahr on a hunt on this property, i can assure you they are not farmed deer, standard 7 wire boundry fences. There is however some very big bodied wild deer with good genes in the general area tho, the whole area has been known for this for many decades.

You have missed the point - sorry !!
This is NOTHING to do with Bruce - it is to do with many (some I know of personally) who poach and shoot these "farms" regularly
If Bruce has access to such a great spot with deer in open farmland - good on him - wish I had something similar close to where I live - where a camera would be used more than a rifle - especially in Roar as those places go ballistic then.

You will probably find this animal in Q was shot via push bike Bow hunter - maybe not
If farmer knows (as indicated above who it is ) kick his arse all the way back to retrieve it

That scene is hilarious. A beginners debacle rarer than a 17 point stag. Mate shot a huge 12 in velvet, it was hard underneath and the old guy who took him out told him to carry it out. Not light obviously, plus meat. What the old guy did not know is he was late home from work and too shy to say he had not eaten before he was picked up. They had crossed two ridges and as I understand it, the head still remains somewhere between the two ridges where his legs gave out.

Personally I never did understand you bone collectors..
I would and have done the same, although I wouldnt leave a scrap of good meet in the bush even if it means multiple trips in and out. The head means nothing to me.
The word trophy is not one I associate with.. its quality wild food. Im sure there are plenty like me that only hunt to fill the freezer but not so many that would proudly say it to a bunch of guys who think lugging a bunch of pointy bones out of the bush instead of all the meat is going to make them some how more manly or feel like they won a trophy for something amazing they just did.
I have seen the the opposite many times.. deer missing heads with the entire carcass left in the bush, sometimes untouched other times only missing back straps.. you tell me which is more respectful and moral.

Let the debate begin..

Originally Posted by Wingman

Personally I never did understand you bone collectors..
I would and have done the same, although I wouldnt leave a scrap of good meet in the bush even if it means multiple trips in and out. The head means nothing to me.
The word trophy is not one I associate with.. its quality wild food. Im sure there are plenty like me that only hunt to fill the freezer but not so many that would proudly say it to a bunch of guys who think lugging a bunch of pointy bones out of the bush instead of all the meat is going to make them some how more manly or feel like they won a trophy for something amazing they just did.
I have seen the the opposite many times.. deer missing heads with the entire carcass left in the bush, sometimes untouched other times only missing back straps.. you tell me which is more respectful and moral.

Let the debate begin..

Don’t bag what you don’t understand. If you think all trophy hunters do it as some kind of ego trip contest then I’m afraid you’ve missed the point & your never going to get it. Much like a vegan or a animal rights activist will never see things your way.

Originally Posted by FRST

Don’t bag what you don’t understand. If you think all trophy hunters do it as some kind of ego trip contest then I’m afraid you’ve missed the point & your never going to get it. Much like a vegan or a animal rights activist will never see things your way.

Agreed.. I definitely call myself more of a trophy hunter over a meat hunter. The adrenaline and excitement of chasing down a maganificent trophy that I may only get one chance to have a crack at. I can shoot a hind/nanny any time, it isn't really a challenge and doesn't create near the same level of excitement.

At the same time my freezer is full all throughout the year from the occasion hind or nanny that I shoot. My last trip I carried out 2 sika hinds, 4 legs and both sets of backsteaks for 8 hours in the Thunderbolt tops. Enough meat to last me the next 12 months.

Rest of the year I am all out targeting trophy bull tahr & stags. Each to their own.

Originally Posted by hotsoup

Agreed.. I definitely call myself more of a trophy hunter over a meat hunter. The adrenaline and excitement of chasing down a maganificent trophy that I may only get one chance to have a crack at. I can shoot a hind/nanny any time, it isn't really a challenge and doesn't create near the same level of excitement.

At the same time my freezer is full all throughout the year from the occasion hind or nanny that I shoot. My last trip I carried out 2 sika hinds, 4 legs and both sets of backsteaks for 8 hours in the Thunderbolt tops. Enough meat to last me the next 12 months.

Rest of the year I am all out targeting trophy bull tahr & stags. Each to their own.

I love the excitement of the roar. Nothing like seeing stags going nuts. Never felt much urge to actually shoot one in the act though. I use my rifle for self defense while I try to get them as mad at me as possible. Then I eat one of their hinds.

As you say, each to their own.

Thats an open ended question... Ive taken lots of photos ..
Photo of what?
Most hunting photos I have document various bullet tests and bullet effectiveness v/s shot placement.
I could also tell you that I'll shoot a hind or a young spiker over a big stag standing right next to them.. guess which ones taste better..

Im not bagging anyone.. people will do what they will do whether others understand it or not. My point to make is there are just as many of us that will leave a head in the bush as this thread and photo shows, as the guys who leave meat in the bush which Im sure is just as cringe worthy to people like minded to myself.
The question in debate is which is more ethical, moral and respectful?

Please keep it insult free and respectful to both parties (except vegans because they are not real people)

From my perspective it doesn't matter if you view deer as a commodity made of meat or a magnificent game animal - they should be treated with respect in any event.

To me, it is as disrespectful to leave a magnificent head in the bush to rot as it is to leave meat to do the same. Both are the essence of a great animal and should be appreciated as such.

Originally Posted by Tahr

To me, it is as disrespectful to leave a magnificent head in the bush to rot as it is to leave meat to do the same. Both are the essence of a great animal and should be appreciated as such.

Thats why I said to you @Tahr, I hope its now in your shed. I personally would have retrieved that head out of respect for the animal, not for any personal gain but just to give it a better place of rest.

one thing i love about private land is there's not all these muppets running around shooting at every think that moves and when i get back to my truck i know its going to have all its tires still up and not been broken in to.

so hopefully the stag had serviced a heap of hinds last roar so has passed on great genes.....and hopefully the young person you shot it either reads this thread and realises what a muppet he is and changes his ways or B never gets to service anything other than his own hand and doesnt get to pass on genes.

Everyone has differing views on trophies. I think we need to stop calling the person names. It is counter productive. Not all new hunters have mentors to learn from and show them the inn's and out's of how to deal with animals. Remember that you were all new hunters once, even what experienced hunters think are mistakes are actually in fact learning curves for the new hunter. Don't berate, educate. Especially if the person is known to someone.

Originally Posted by 300wsm for life

Everyone has differing views on trophies. I think we need to stop calling the person names. It is counter productive. Not all new hunters have mentors to learn from and show them the inn's and out's of how to deal with animals. Remember that you were all new hunters once, even what experienced hunters think are mistakes are actually in fact learning curves for the new hunter. Don't berate, educate. Especially if the person is known to someone.

Well said, and the lessen for this chap should be how to field dress an animal and pack it all out, evenn if that means dropping it off in multiple runs to a road or paddock accessible to a vehicle. He only had to ask the farmer for a hand or have him return with him on a quad or tractor etc. Ive yet to meet any man that wouldnt lend a hand for a recovery mission in exchange for some steaks sausages or a few beers. We have all been there.. up to our armpits and out of our depth.. asking for help would have been the right thing to do here.

Originally Posted by Wingman

Well said, and the lessen for this chap should be how to field dress an animal and pack it all out, evenn if that means dropping it off in multiple runs to a road or paddock accessible to a vehicle. He only had to ask the farmer for a hand or have him return with him on a quad or tractor etc. Ive yet to meet any man that wouldnt lend a hand for a recovery mission in exchange for some steaks sausages or a few beers. We have all been there.. up to our armpits and out of our depth.. asking for help would have been the right thing to do here.

Unfortunately in this day and age a young fella asking for help has about as much chance of being called a snowflake as receiving any.