Thread: Dumped 17 pointer

Originally Posted by Apollo

Unfortunately in this day and age a young fella asking for help has about as much chance of being called a snowflake as receiving any.

....Pull the other one - if you want to be taken seriously; you need to prove yourself!!!! When did that ever change? No issue with asking for help - but for F***sake do it respectfully and be prepared to accept advice & take it on-board.

Originally Posted by Nickoli

....Pull the other one - if you want to be taken seriously; you need to prove yourself!!!! When did that ever change? No issue with asking for help - but for F***sake do it respectfully and be prepared to accept advice & take it on-board.

I agree with you. But I never experienced the hostility to youth that I see these days. Sells newspapers in the digital age I guess.

Originally Posted by Apollo

I agree with you. But I never experienced the hostility to youth that I see these days. Sells newspapers in the digital age I guess.

Can't argue - but the "hostility to youth" is itself a huge generalisation: respect is a 2 way street - whether we like it or not, and there is a massive gulf between the manners of yesteryear versus the self-entitled attitude of the current generation. I understand that the "hunter" (loose term...) was allowed to be there by the cocky, but come on... leave that much meat...and the head? Your not in a position of strength to argue that this particular hunter should go back to the drawing board - blessed with an amazing hunting opportunity and shits on it with his/her treatment of the game animal targets... and the farmer?

My first deer was 3hrs of the road, both me and a mate had no idea on what to do next. After working out how to gut it we tried to carry this deer over our shoulders, then dragged it with not much luck. We were both stuff , we cut in half and got of the ground up into a tree.
Next morning we returned with a pack so another 2.5hrs in cut it up and put it in a pack and carried it all out.
Twenty odd years ago you didn't have a forum to ask what to do or uncle google and was freak all deer around

Originally Posted by woods223

Have to agree with comments made by Wingman and 300wsm for life. We were all beginners at some stage and we've all made mistakes, life is about learning. Personally I've left some good heads behind meaning to recover at some time,getting meat out is my priority. Its amusing how some of these heads have been taken by others before I've managed to get back to them.

Yup, me too. I hunt on my own mostly and I'm 51 and not up to massive carries by any means. There are two proper good heads secreted away, one in each island, that I will retrieve in time with the help of my young 'uns. Faced with the prospect of leaving meat for a head, I'll take the max load of meat I can handle every time, because the head will still be there in 2 years time. Well, not if Eagle Eye @Tahr and his Dawg are around.

Good attitude, presentation and awareness are all a young person needs, any person, when it comes to asking for help. I try and set it up beforehand, create an expectation in advance. Has worked very well for me in the past. I've recovered several deer out of the Raukumaras with the help of a local cockie, who I think was glad of the company and a bit of adventure. Twice on the quad and trailer, once with the little jetboat. I'll say this though, the quad bike rides over the river cobbles was the worst and most scary brown trouser rides on any kind of machinery I've ever had.... never ever again. All the way I'm thinking I'm gonna get bounced off this, no helmet.... oh the wife is gonna be SO CROSS.

Oh well, still here.

Originally Posted by Nickoli

Can't argue - but the "hostility to youth" is itself a huge generalisation: respect is a 2 way street - whether we like it or not, and there is a massive gulf between the manners of yesteryear versus the self-entitled attitude of the current generation. I understand that the "hunter" (loose term...) was allowed to be there by the cocky, but come on... leave that much meat...and the head? Your not in a position of strength to argue that this particular hunter should go back to the drawing board - blessed with an amazing hunting opportunity and shits on it with his/her treatment of the game animal targets... and the farmer?

Again, can't argue with that. I'm a bit doubtful the entire hippy generation were squared away well mannered youth for their time. I doubt all those photos from the 70s of today's conservatives standing next to deer with hair down to their shoulders impressed their elders at the time. Seems somewhat counter productive to judge any generation by their worst examples.

I'm having venison for dinner a local young guy gave me after I taught him some stuff. There are a bunch of young hunters around here and the ones I met are absolutely superb young guys. I really don't think they get enough credit. Somewhat bucking the trend as the rest seem to be crack heads.

Surely it is not impossible for Tahr to find this kid via the farmer and teach him not to mutilate his pet stags?

Originally Posted by Apollo

Again, can't argue with that. I'm a bit doubtful the entire hippy generation were squared away well mannered youth for their time. I doubt all those photos from the 70s of today's conservatives standing next to deer with hair down to their shoulders impressed their elders at the time. Seems somewhat counter productive to judge any generation by their worst examples.

I'm having venison for dinner a local young guy gave me after I taught him some stuff. There are a bunch of young hunters around here and the ones I met are absolutely superb young guys. I really don't think they get enough credit. Somewhat bucking the trend as the rest seem to be crack heads.

Surely it is not impossible for Tahr to find this kid via the farmer and teach him not to mutilate his pet stags?

I'm not interested in who shot it really. I posted the pic because of my disappointment from my personal perspective. The chap who shot it was delighted with his first deer and the meat. That he was a kid is your assumption.

The use of the term "pets" is bull shit, but I guess that you know that. Give me a bit more credit and let your resentment go.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I'm not interested in who shot it really. I posted the pic because of my disappointment from my personal perspective. The chap who shot it was delighted with his first deer and the meat. That he was a kid is your assumption.

The use of the term "pets" is bull shit, but I guess that you know that. Give me a bit more credit and let your resentment go.

What resentment? I was referring to how much time you said you spent watching them for 40 years but I guess you took it the wrong way, which you can reflect on at your leisure. Why do you need so much credit anyway? Worry less about what people think of you and just enjoy your hunting.

Originally Posted by Apollo

What resentment? I was referring to how much time you said you spent watching them for 40 years but I guess you took it the wrong way, which you can reflect on at your leisure. Why do you need so much credit anyway? Worry less about what people think of you and just enjoy your hunting.

Yeah. You are probably right. All these years, and far from perfect - still work in progress .

Tilly still loves you Mate...and she is a good judge of character.

I for one thank you for posting this @Tahr, this thread was on my mind all day at work and it had me deep in thought which is not something I do often

Even reading the stories had my own memories flooding back of trying to drag roll and push my first large red all of about 20 meters through the bush and being totally burned out knowing all to well it took me over two hours to get to the location I made the shot and I wasnt going to be home for dinner..

It is interesting to me how different we all are here but also very much the same.
I know and have hunted/shot with many people who follow my school of thought but also with guys like yourself.
You clearly felt so strongly about the chap not taking home a memento head yet neglected to even mention the massive waist of meat left by this guy until prompted in about the 6th post.

While I may not be any closer to understanding the mind of trophy hunters and guys that blow a small house deposit on safaris shooting African beasts I dont intend to try and stop them from doing what they do. That would make me no better than a vegan PETA supporting cyclist. NO body wants to be that guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8

Wingman as a meat hunter I have the utmost respect for you leaving that behind.

Heads mounted don't impress me, antlers don't impress me. I drove up to a guys big barn like shed in Southland and he had decorated the entire front of it aboe the doors with maybe 50 bare skulls and antlers. This impressed me.

Ive shot 131 deer over the last 10 years (10 years in March) and kept 6 Red and 4 Fallow heads.

I edited the pic as I feel it will just anger more people, instead I replaced it with some light comedy. Lets refocus our anger towards the people that actually deserve it..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaR9_loA2ig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psTQI_eKmWk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNCv-BggLoY

Originally Posted by FRST

Don’t bag what you don’t understand. If you think all trophy hunters do it as some kind of ego trip contest then I’m afraid you’ve missed the point & your never going to get it. Much like a vegan or a animal rights activist will never see things your way.

Agreed.. I definitely call myself more of a trophy hunter over a meat hunter. The adrenaline and excitement of chasing down a maganificent trophy that I may only get one chance to have a crack at. I can shoot a hind/nanny any time, it isn't really a challenge and doesn't create near the same level of excitement.

At the same time my freezer is full all throughout the year from the occasion hind or nanny that I shoot. My last trip I carried out 2 sika hinds, 4 legs and both sets of backsteaks for 8 hours in the Thunderbolt tops. Enough meat to last me the next 12 months.

Rest of the year I am all out targeting trophy bull tahr & stags. Each to their own.