Thread: 2005ish GrandCherokee vs 2007ish Ford Territory

Originally Posted by Beetroot

What sort of fuel consumption do you get?
They had the same petrol and diesel engine options in the Disco 3, the V6 petrol is well known for being very thirsty like 50% more than the diesel (15l/100km vs 10l/100km on average).

Published fuel figures for a territory dont seem that much more than my falcon.
Are they lies?
Looks like the jeeps out. Last time I ignored lots of car advice I ended up with a Sierra wagon. Never again.

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

I thought the land rover specialist near Lynn Mall was meant to be reasonably priced.

I've dealt with Stag 4x4 a little bit and they seemed like good guys, about on par with other mechanics price wise.
But unless you live close to someone who knows Land Rovers other mechanics don't seem keen to work on them.
The biggest cost saving to be had working on LRs yourself is buying the parts from the UK, can get genuine or OEM parts landed here for 10-50% of the cost they are locally.

I fixed a locals guys D3 with a suspension fault as his local garage couldn't fix it, when I asked him what codes it was giving he said the garage hadn't plugged a scanner in......
Plugged my one in, told me a sensor was playing up, confirmed that by looking at the live data when driving it, bought a new sensor, installed it in an hour or so, and it was fixed.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Published fuel figures for a territory dont seem that much more than my falcon.
Are they lies?
Looks like the jeeps out. Last time I ignored lots of car advice I ended up with a Sierra wagon. Never again.

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I don't have any first hand experience but the territory should be thirstier than a falcon, especially the 4x4 version and town driving.
If I were doing a lot of kms and towing I'd definitely get the diesel, but the petrol is probably a little more reliable and is cam chain driven so doesn't need a cambelt doing.

Both the 2.7 diesel and 4.0 petrol have gone into a lot of other cars so there is plenty of info out about them both.

Originally Posted by northdude

id rather own a toyota with 300 on the clock than one of those other piles of shit... i get to fix them

I owned a toyota once, trans blew. Radiator de-laminated, luckily within coasting distance of the Hunterville garage, Final straw was a piston saying hello world up highway 16.
Work hilux has been ok except for the retarded exhaust burn off shit thing.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Work hilux has been ok except for the retarded exhaust burn off shit thing.

That system (DPF) is in a lot of vehicles thanks to environmental regulations, and can cause issues in basically all vehicles, much like the EGR system.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I don't have any first hand experience but the territory should be thirstier than a falcon, especially the 4x4 version and town driving.
If I were doing a lot of kms and towing I'd definitely get the diesel, but the petrol is probably a little more reliable and is cam chain driven so doesn't need a cambelt doing.

Both the 2.7 diesel and 4.0 petrol have gone into a lot of other cars so there is plenty of info out about them both.

I've got the 4 litre petrol at the moment but need more ground clearance and room. The XR6 is fun to drive but not practical. With the way the things depreciating I'm tempted to keep it as well.

Originally Posted by XR500

And here's me with a pre 2000 Patrol with 4.2Turbo D @ 10L/100km, 15L when towing the horsefloat. And about to tick over 500,000km. Just goes and goes. And a BIG step up in comfort etc from the GQ SAF's

Iv got the same mate,had nearly 16yrs,just ticking over 542000ks,never touched the motor.Replaced alternator and a now a new set of batterys.Doesnt burn oil,just keeps on trucking.

I'm considering selling my totally faithful Nissan Regulus 3.2 diesel, as all the rumours floating around are worrying. Had a VTNZ guy tell me last WOF to get rid of it, as soon they "won't be allowed on the road" with this stupid govt wanting all pre 2000 cars off the road, especially dirty "old tech" diesels. If they don't get them off the road, they are thinking of making them excessively expensive to register etc, so like a "forced dumping" is what he told me.
TBH the only wagon I have considered is a Highlander petrol. My Regulus has the hi-lo, diff lock etc etc and it has been places a goat would think twice about. Gets to see skidder duty with tree felling on farms and cart firewood round..never misses a beat and still looks really tidy.
Most newer 4wds are plastic fantastics IMHO, Territory is a higher Falcon with AWD, and the earlier Territories loved dumping antifreeze through the trans, ruining it, and even the Highlanders I think may only be AWD too? And yep you pay "Toyota tax" for a reason..you can trust them if they have been looked after. like the Jeeps but the 3.7 V6 like to drop valve seats in to the cylinder causing disaster, and the 4.7V8 is similar. Anything euro will have you maxing the credit card if the trans goes (which it will) especially VW ..Mitsubishi Pajeros I honestly know nothing about, same with Nissan Pathfinders.
Seems hard to get a decent "tough" 4wd after year 2000 for under 15K and in petrol, any suggestions, post em up.

Originally Posted by altair

I'm considering selling my totally faithful Nissan Regulus 3.2 diesel, as all the rumours floating around are worrying. Had a VTNZ guy tell me last WOF to get rid of it, as soon they "won't be allowed on the road" with this stupid govt wanting all pre 2000 cars off the road, especially dirty "old tech" diesels. If they don't get them off the road, they are thinking of making them excessively expensive to register etc, so like a "forced dumping" is what he told me.
TBH the only wagon I have considered is a Highlander petrol. My Regulus has the hi-lo, diff lock etc etc and it has been places a goat would think twice about. Gets to see skidder duty with tree felling on farms and cart firewood round..never misses a beat and still looks really tidy.
Most newer 4wds are plastic fantastics IMHO, Territory is a higher Falcon with AWD, and the earlier Territories loved dumping antifreeze through the trans, ruining it, and even the Highlanders I think may only be AWD too? And yep you pay "Toyota tax" for a reason..you can trust them if they have been looked after. like the Jeeps but the 3.7 V6 like to drop valve seats in to the cylinder causing disaster, and the 4.7V8 is similar. Anything euro will have you maxing the credit card if the trans goes (which it will) especially VW ..Mitsubishi Pajeros I honestly know nothing about, same with Nissan Pathfinders.
Seems hard to get a decent "tough" 4wd after year 2000 for under 15K and in petrol, any suggestions, post em up.

VW/Audi have their share of trans issues regarding certain DSG gearboxes but most ZF gearboxes seem to have good reports.

Haven't had any issues from the 4hp22 in my Disco 2 or the 6hp26 in my D3. In the Disco 2/P38 RR the gearboxes are one of the few things that don't seem to have a bad reputation.
The 6hp26 im D3 has 300,000kms on it and is bloody fantastic, I did an oil flush about 10,000kms ago which improved performance dramatically.

Doubt it's what you'd want but petrol Discovery 2s are well under 15k and are pretty nice vehicles considering the age. Some folks have horror stories about the D2 but we have two in the family and both have been great.
Fuel economy isn't great, I average about 14l/100km when not towing and 16l+/100km when towing.
My biggest complaint would be it feels like the vehicle needs another gear to smooth out the gaps between them when towing on big hills, a 5 speed manual V8 would be sweet but are uncommon. Parts are cheap and they are easy to work on, other than replacing the coil packs which is a real bitch of a job.

I've always wondered about those spindly bars hanging down from Territory suspension.

Often sat behind one in traffic and thought "If I were to put something in the best place to have it smashed by a rock, that would be where I'd put it. I wonder if it really needs those things?"

you do realise according to j clarkson that jeeps are a gay icon.
also the electrics in them are terrible.

Originally Posted by davetapson

I've always wondered about those spindly bars hanging down from Territory suspension.

Often sat behind one in traffic and thought "If I were to put something in the best place to have it smashed by a rock, that would be where I'd put it. I wonder if it really needs those things?"

Your not thinking of the escape?

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

you do realise according to j clarkson that jeeps are a gay icon.
also the electrics in them are terrible.

Goddamn homo's stealing shit again. First words, then rainbows....what's next?

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Originally Posted by Steve123

Goddamn homo's stealing shit again. First words, then rainbows....what's next?

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freudian slip there ?

Originally Posted by gonetropo

freudian slip there ?

I'd like to reply but that would be un-PC. Farkin funny but un-PC