Thread: Full Electric LDV ute

Originally Posted by gonetropo

surprised it didnt break down, they are awfully badly made with huge reliability issues

done 370000km in 13 months not a problem of any sort , no rattles etc anyway faultless they come to his house for service rotate tyres etc .to be honest I am impressed .any software updates done over wifi.maybe he is lucky.

Originally Posted by DemocKot

done 370000km in 13 months not a problem of any sort , no rattles etc anyway faultless they come to his house for service rotate tyres etc .to be honest I am impressed .any software updates done over wifi.maybe he is lucky.

That’s 937km per day average, every day for 395 days?


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Extra 0 slipped in I’d say!

Originally Posted by Hunter595

I will give it a go towing over the holidays but it’s only rated to tow 1 tonne, I believe it will probably halve the range,

Yeah I went to the launch in Dunedin. Complete waste of time. The towing range would t even get you to town and back towing down here. Not withstanding there are no charging stations

Il keep my patrol until it takes me to the grave,hopefully il have many years to go yet.

Month or so ago I read some vehicle survey results from a UK motoring body - a reasonable scale survey. Unfortunately can't google/find data now but... Regarding reliability of vehicle types, survey found hybrids were most reliable in 2021-22 - a technology reasonably well worked out now. Survey also found full electric vehicles to be least reliable - and this matches US JD Powers results from recent years which has put eg Tesla right at the bottom for reliability (can't remember test timeframe). Still some learning to do there.

Read another relevant article at same time from Stuff in NZ, and it talked about problems electric SUV/RV/4wd owners are having with water. Alot of owners complaining they cannot cross streams etc with the electric 4x4s, where previously their petrol/diesel options had no issue. One owner in story spoke of buying a second hand electric 4wd SUV and attempting to cross a stream. Not deep - half wheel depth or so - but his electric SUV stopped dead in midstream. Had it towed out, taken for repair, and was given a repair quote of $42,000 for his 2nd hand $37k purchase price vehicle. Whole motor and circuit was gone. And there was no guarantee it would be 100% fixed. Many other owners popping up reporting river/stream crossing problems.

Looking at the electric 4wd under-truck photo above, there will have to be significant technology/structural changes before it can be considered an offroad suitable vehicle. You would not take it near any southern offroad conditions - uneven ground, rivers, rocks etc. Too exposed, too vulnerable. 4WD appearance only. More development needed - and it will come. For our hunting/4wding conditions you need vehicles like Trout's old Patrol - the most electronic thing about them is the cigarette lighter, but they will not leave you parked after a few river splashes. Sturdy old 90s diesels very popular with 4wd club guys.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

I heard the newest batteries have no lithium, but can't remember where I heard it or if they are available yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QerZEed4-wE

Originally Posted by mudgripz

Month or so ago I read some vehicle survey results from a UK motoring body - a reasonable scale survey. Unfortunately can't google/find data now but... Regarding reliability of vehicle types, survey found hybrids were most reliable in 2021-22 - a technology reasonably well worked out now. Survey also found full electric vehicles to be least reliable - and this matches US JD Powers results from recent years which has put eg Tesla right at the bottom for reliability (can't remember test timeframe). Still some learning to do there.

Read another relevant article at same time from Stuff in NZ, and it talked about problems electric SUV/RV/4wd owners are having with water. Alot of owners complaining they cannot cross streams etc with the electric 4x4s, where previously their petrol/diesel options had no issue. One owner in story spoke of buying a second hand electric 4wd SUV and attempting to cross a stream. Not deep - half wheel depth or so - but his electric SUV stopped dead in midstream. Had it towed out, taken for repair, and was given a repair quote of $42,000 for his 2nd hand $37k purchase price vehicle. Whole motor and circuit was gone. And there was no guarantee it would be 100% fixed. Many other owners popping up reporting river/stream crossing problems.

Looking at the electric 4wd under-truck photo above, there will have to be significant technology/structural changes before it can be considered an offroad suitable vehicle. You would not take it near any southern offroad conditions - uneven ground, rivers, rocks etc. Too exposed, too vulnerable. 4WD appearance only. More development needed - and it will come. For our hunting/4wding conditions you need vehicles like Trout's old Patrol - the most electronic thing about them is the cigarette lighter, but they will not leave you parked after a few river splashes. Sturdy old 90s diesels very popular with 4wd club guys.

I don't believe the T60 comes in a 4wd version yet. But even in its standard 2wd form it would be dicey to take it places a 2wd hilux might happily wander along taking the family to a riverside picnic.

I reckon hybrid technology will be the way forward for 4x4 utes, given what we still require them to be able to do in terms of off road use and towing capacity.
Fully electric power for what we require just wont be practical but the hybrid technology should enable a compromise...hopefully.
The whole government tax on Diesel 4x4s to subsidize wealthy Tesla owners gets up my nose.

That picture of the undercarriage has me convinced that machine is not designed to leave tarmac. I'd consider a 4wd hybrid if it ticked many other boxes but it's going to take a massive jump in specific design before I would look at a 100% EV

Originally Posted by Trout

Il keep my patrol until it takes me to the grave,hopefully il have many years to go yet.
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..And when she's ready for a rebuild at 7-800 K, that TD42T motor can be fully rebuilt for the price of a 2022 Hilux set of injectors and pump

After owning it 18yrs,it still doesnt burn oil.The new Patrol,Y63 Hybrid has its own petrol motor, generator to charge its batterys.Petrol motor not used for driving patrol.And has front n rear electric motors for 4x4 driving.

I just couldnt afford the 150k to buy it.lols 150k a lot of diesel ah.

I'll be driving my current vehicle, until it dies, pretty much what I do anyway, never kept up with the Jone’s. I can see this attitude, uncertainty transferring to people not buying new vehicles, which will cause major headache for the motor industry, the beginning of the end of the consumer driven economies, wow wrap your head around that.

I thought I would do a trial run towing my boat, I hooked the boat on, which weighs 970 kg, I did a 40 km test drive, relatively flat terrain, and although the Ute pulled it ok, i definitely wouldn’t try launching the boat and risk getting salt water into the underbody. Based on my very rudimentary trial I would think realistic range towing that weight is probably 140 to 170 kms, but of course so many factors can change that.
There is no doubt that this Ute won’t do what people like us expect from a Ute, but as an on tarmac Ute, it goes well, is nice to drive and would suit a lot of people, but it’s early days, I have only done a little over 600kms in the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Trout

After owning it 18yrs,it still doesnt burn oil.The new Patrol,Y63 Hybrid has its own petrol motor, generator to charge its batterys.Petrol motor not used for driving patrol.And has front n rear electric motors for 4x4 driving.
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I just couldnt afford the 150k to buy it.lols 150k a lot of diesel ah.

Jeeze, that's a face only a mother could love!