Thread: Full Electric LDV ute

Have no trouble beating that face up on the rocky approachs ah.

Originally Posted by Hunter595

In response to who asks what the LDV drives like, compared to the old hilux, well the LDV drives well, has plenty of power, has 3 driving modes, power, normal and economy, has a goood sound system, is heavy, I believe around 2.3 tonnes but I will actually weigh it at work tomorrow. Mostly I will charge at work as I work for a recycling and waste company, we generate power from the waste so it has a little feel good factor.
Today I am going to hook my boat on the back and go for a trial run and see how that goes, my boat weighs 970 kms, so it will be an interesting test.

Nice man, Im intrested in seing how it goes for you

I have the new ranger and on scales at the rubbish dump was 2360kg im sure its now pushing 2400 as i have some k02 tires on it now

Originally Posted by mudgripz

Month or so ago I read some vehicle survey results from a UK motoring body - a reasonable scale survey. Unfortunately can't google/find data now but... Regarding reliability of vehicle types, survey found hybrids were most reliable in 2021-22 - a technology reasonably well worked out now. Survey also found full electric vehicles to be least reliable - and this matches US JD Powers results from recent years which has put eg Tesla right at the bottom for reliability (can't remember test timeframe). Still some learning to do there.

Read another relevant article at same time from Stuff in NZ, and it talked about problems electric SUV/RV/4wd owners are having with water. Alot of owners complaining they cannot cross streams etc with the electric 4x4s, where previously their petrol/diesel options had no issue. One owner in story spoke of buying a second hand electric 4wd SUV and attempting to cross a stream. Not deep - half wheel depth or so - but his electric SUV stopped dead in midstream. Had it towed out, taken for repair, and was given a repair quote of $42,000 for his 2nd hand $37k purchase price vehicle. Whole motor and circuit was gone. And there was no guarantee it would be 100% fixed. Many other owners popping up reporting river/stream crossing problems.

Looking at the electric 4wd under-truck photo above, there will have to be significant technology/structural changes before it can be considered an offroad suitable vehicle. You would not take it near any southern offroad conditions - uneven ground, rivers, rocks etc. Too exposed, too vulnerable. 4WD appearance only. More development needed - and it will come. For our hunting/4wding conditions you need vehicles like Trout's old Patrol - the most electronic thing about them is the cigarette lighter, but they will not leave you parked after a few river splashes. Sturdy old 90s diesels very popular with 4wd club guys.

what electric 4wd under truck photo are you taliking about

Go to page 4, post 52. XR500's photo of undercarriage of the T60 LDV electric.

Originally Posted by mudgripz

Go to page 4, post 52. XR500's photo of undercarriage of the T60 LDV electric.

Might be a misunderstanding there mate - they are only available in 2WD. XR500's comment: "Can see why it doesn't come with a low box or 4WD option."

Fair enough - looking at this 2wd ute setup am aware it'll be a complete structural redesign before it could become a usable 4x4 option. This electric LDV could not safely be taken off tarmac whereas other petrol/diesel 2wd utes could do ok on farm roads, easy streams etc

The technology for 4wd is developing - Landrover now have an electric 4wd, as do Ford/GM in the US. Early days - will take 5-10 to get it right but they will get there.

prepare for blackouts. the nz power infrastructure is pretty bad.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

prepare for blackouts. the nz power infrastructure is pretty bad.

Prepare yourself around 9pm tonight when I plug my tesla in.

Originally Posted by Hunter595

... but as an on tarmac Ute, it goes well, is nice to drive and would suit a lot of people, but it’s early days, ...

Exactly this, this ute is not designed for water crossings or banging up a river valley, a bit like the Ford Falcon or Holden Commodore utes. It'll be ideal in the environment it was designed for.

One day a 4x4 ute with 1000km range, an independent motor for each wheel with shit hot traction control and all sealed up the wazoo will be the ducks nuts.

Originally Posted by imaca

Exactly this, this ute is not designed for water crossings or banging up a river valley, a bit like the Ford Falcon or Holden Commodore utes. It'll be ideal in the environment it was designed for.

One day a 4x4 ute with 1000km range, an independent motor for each wheel with shit hot traction control and all sealed up the wazoo will be the ducks nuts.

Rivian?

I really don't think straight EV is the future, obviously many think it will be, and sure some of the EV passenger cars are getting quite good from a range point of view, and obviously decent torque so they feel powerful etc.

However, for anything else other than passenger cars that stay firmly on the sealed road, i just dont see this EV thing working out terribly well.

I still believe the good ole ICE engine, whether they be spark ign or compression ignition, will have a lot of life left in them yet, by way of different types of renewable sustainable fuels, whether that be advancements in bio-fuels or some other type of fuel yet unknown.

Even Bio-ethanol (that's been around for years now) has some big benefits over traditional fossil-based fuels, in the way of being renewable, the potential to make more power than your normal fossil fuels, it burns cooler and it produces fewer emissions. Further advancements in this type of technology are coming, Motorsport incl F1 are doing a lot of work on such fuels, that im sure will filter down to consumer road vehicles eventually.

And the whole idea of EV's being green is so flawed it's not funny. When you look at the holistic picture, they are no better for the environment, in fact as we know it today, they are actually worse.

Originally Posted by GWH

And the whole idea of EV's being green is so flawed it's not funny. When you look at the holistic picture, they are no better for the environment, in fact as we know it today, they are actually worse.

Citation? I would love to win an argument against the Mrs but everything I read says EVs are far more "green" when factoring in the construction of vehicle and usage.

Please provide me with some source to counter her argument

They aren't, they just don't generate their pollution at the vehicle like ICE. Their pollution to point of sale appears higher and possible service lifespan also appears at best half of ICE.

A lot of that is ICE tech is a lot more mature, but we cannot build as many EV as we need do to battery material limitations which leads the question of how we replace the batteries we currently have when they crap out. The power source for ICE is a lot more easily repaired and will continue to be so as you can get parts. Bit hard to repair a battery when you can't get parts, and I know of a couple of PHEV vehicles that gave been fully replaced under warranty do to early battery failure and no replacement available. This is a side of the debate I don't see talked about, shorter service life of the 'cleaner' vehicle requiring earlier disposal and replacement.

End result is vehicles aren't green despite the opinions, a necessary evil and reducing useage regardless of type is the option.

95% of all Teslas' ever produced are still on the road.

The other 5% actually made it home.

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Citation? I would love to win an argument against the Mrs but everything I read says EVs are far more "green" when factoring in the construction of vehicle and usage.

Please provide me with some source to counter her argument

Bear with me, I'll try to find a really good vid that explains it all in detail.