Thread: Govt Announcement on EV versus petrol today

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

I see that what is filling in as for us as a Government until a real one comes along, has announced today that it is giving rebates to purchasers of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles starting July 1, with up to $8625 for new vehicles and $3450 for used.

A link........ Nah. stuff it, tiny url has been misbehaving today so copy and paste this into THE ADDRESS ENTRY FIELD of your browser.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...ars/ar-AAKYUKn

HOWEVER......"Importantly the policy only applies to new and used cars arriving in New Zealand, so the existing second-hand market of cars that lower income families tend to purchase from will not be affected," says some pointless government minister.

So buy second hand stuff coming into NEW ZEALAND and get a rebate , but buy the same thing that is already here........Nah nothing

ALSO, I understand that the top rebate of $8625 only applies to purchases over $80,000........

In fact the amount of the rebate is LESS than the GST on it already so it is not 'costing ' them a cent. Especially when you consider it effectively doubles the gst on ICE vehicles imported which outnumber the electric ones by more than 10:1

So to clarify , 9 out of 10 cars will have about 10% added in tax, and the remaining 1 out of 10 will get a reduced GST component.....(they will give you part of the GST you have already paid back- but not all of it....) That is a TAX not a rebate. No new taxes.....What a load of shit.....

Yes naturally each marque will up the price of the ev part of the range to cover the tax on the non ev part of the range....which they will have also increased price on to cover tax.

Thinking of becoming a rickshaw, soon to be very lucrative.

First electric ship:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Yara_Birkeland

And that s for the green cars:

If you want to fight it, sign the petition:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/cartax

And another to stop a monumentally expensive act of stupidity.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/skypath

Does this sound familar???? Labour in early World War II. Waiting for a moment when the circumstances favoured its introduction........Flip flopping to suit it's agenda.... Then and doing it again NOW!!!

A key impetus behind establishing the New Zealand Labour Party during 1916 had been to present a more unified front against conscription. Yet in 1940, it was the First Labour Government – comprising several leaders of the 1916–1918 resistance – that decided men should again be compelled to serve. While recent studies have described this as a swift and reluctant change in attitudes occasioned by the Allied defeats in France, numerous documents and speeches suggest otherwise. Senior ministers had in fact accepted the notion of wartime conscription by 1938, before waiting for a moment when the political and military circumstances favoured its introduction.

Full article here...https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...3.2020.1811471

Originally Posted by 35whelen

Does this sound familar???? Labour in early World War II. Waiting for a moment when the circumstances favoured its introduction........Flip flopping to suit it's agenda.... Then and doing it again NOW!!!

A key impetus behind establishing the New Zealand Labour Party during 1916 had been to present a more unified front against conscription. Yet in 1940, it was the First Labour Government – comprising several leaders of the 1916–1918 resistance – that decided men should again be compelled to serve. While recent studies have described this as a swift and reluctant change in attitudes occasioned by the Allied defeats in France, numerous documents and speeches suggest otherwise. Senior ministers had in fact accepted the notion of wartime conscription by 1938, before waiting for a moment when the political and military circumstances favoured its introduction.

Full article here...https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...3.2020.1811471

yes mh grandfather was especially dark about labour guys forcing him into the army in 1940.......
Never stopped mentioning it until he died.

Originally Posted by DemocKot

yes mh grandfather was especially dark about labour guys forcing him into the army in 1940.......
Never stopped mentioning it until he died.

My dad was of that generation, and career air force. He, and most of his contemporaries, would never vote Labour.

My take on it is the buyers of petrol/diesel vehicles will far outnumber the EV buyers so what happens to all the Tax (yes it is a tax) collected. My bet it ends up in the consolidated funds. Now I have heard Nat/Act decry and call it a tax but not that they will reverse/cancel it. Hopefully the sheeple that voted Labour to keep the Greens out learn their lesson at the next visit to the ballot box.

Do you really think the sheep are that smart?? Next election there will be a wedding or a bady or more money will get thrown around...problem solved

Considering the Greens are just an ‘also ran’ and not a ruling party they seem to have far too much to say on topics like this.

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Considering the Greens are just an ‘also ran’ and not a ruling party they seem to have far too much to say on topics like this.

I hope those that strategically voted Labour, to keep the verdant nutters out, and as a protest against the duck shoving Nats, are happy with what they got, not that they would admit otherwise.

Originally Posted by Growlybear

I hope those that strategically voted Labour, to keep the verdant nutters out, and as a protest against the duck shoving Nats, are happy with what they got, not that they would admit otherwise.

...Worst part of this: people swallowed their principles to vote for Seabiscuit's Coup.... - they didn't vote for what's happening because there was no real policy released to accurately make an informed decision.... the electorate was sucked in - to avoid the Greens....and keep Winstone First out....National imploded.....and we ended up in a clusterfuck of a future that no one predicted. Can we learn? Probably not - we are living in the golden age now.... make the most of it.

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Considering the Greens are just an ‘also ran’ and not a ruling party they seem to have far too much to say on topics like this.

Didn't they have a few weeks of 'secret' discussions with the horse after the election. Musta been sorted out then.